Watch this Mooji video. Tell me what is wrong.
This woman is in great pain. She obviously does not have much one on one contact with Mooji, as she is telling of this intimate pain in front of many people, focused only on him, ignoring the crowd.
She tells Mooji that there is something in her that feels, which she calls “it,” that does not need Mooji anymore, that she has grown independent, and this is tearing her apart. She tells Mooji that he was her God, best friend, her everything, but something does not need him anymore. Then she says, "I don't need you to do this (spiritual work?). My feeling is she thinks this "not needing" will destroy the love she has in its greatness and vastness of need, and she mourns the loss.
Yet, what does Mooji say, he goes old Muzika on her and says with a little laugh, “That will save a lot of airline tickets.” He is speaking to the crowd, making a joke, and not hearing her--JUST AS I HAVE NOT HEARD SO MANY OF YOU IN THE PAST.
Watch the video and ponder on this, especially the crowd's rather over-the-top laughing at her distress. Not only is it inappropriate, it borders on a brutal refutation of her distress. But Mooji ignores the crowd's cruel laughter, and even tells her the crowd is loving her independence! He sides with the crowd.
Watch the video and ponder on this, especially the crowd's rather over-the-top laughing at her distress. Not only is it inappropriate, it borders on a brutal refutation of her distress. But Mooji ignores the crowd's cruel laughter, and even tells her the crowd is loving her independence! He sides with the crowd.
Here Mooji missed helping her in three places: The joke about airplane tickets; his telling her that the laughing people were happy for her; then giving analogies rather than addressing deeper issues. I was appalled when I heard this laughter, and disappointed with his response. All that he had to do was hig her and say, "I still love you and you still love me."
He said to her that the crown was happy for her. They were laughing. But if they had been genuinely happy they would have been more silent. Their laughing was from their own defenses against recognizing deep longing and neediness feelings in themselves.
I think they felt justified on the surface of consciousness to laugh because they felt she was fooling herself and her crying was a sign that she was very attached. But she was really saying that losing the attachment was also losing her deep love for Mooji, as well as mourning the loss of her spiritual infancy, and it was extremely painful for her. This was never addressed, not her pain acknowledged.
He could have addressed the issue directly telling her that feeling independent and not needing me does not harm the love you have for me or me for you. In fact, now that you feel you no longer need me, your love can grow and flower, AND you now own it as your own, it is no longer static, like a guardrail, and it is a love in you for me, without a need for me. I, as your teacher, grow less important, but I as an equal, can be loved deeper in different ways, newer ways.
You will no longer feel compelled to run to me, but will come freely from within yourself at your own time and pace. What freedom!
You will no longer feel compelled to run to me, but will come freely from within yourself at your own time and pace. What freedom!
Nor does anyone know how comfortable she with his explanations or the with crowd because she is shown only in the first 1/5 of the film, and then she was fixated on talking to him and ignored them.
This is very subtle. Watch the video again. Put yourself in her shoes, experience her torture, listen to the crowd's laughter. I really could not believe their laughter.
Really, Mooji failed her three times and it was probably because of the group setting. He did not go to her and hug her, or ask her to come to him. OR, maybe Mooji just didn't get it, like me.
Really, Mooji failed her three times and it was probably because of the group setting. He did not go to her and hug her, or ask her to come to him. OR, maybe Mooji just didn't get it, like me.
Over time the jnan mellows, becomes more soft, humble, gentle, heartful, prayerful. We have seen that happening in you Edji. I am sure it is the way it happens with everyone.
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'Many lives many teachers!' It is natural - one teacher does not serve one forever. It has happened to me and I know the pain and confusion that can happen in the interim period before the next teacher appears!
DeleteMooji is not making fun of her. The crowd laughs at the truth of what he is saying. now that she admittedly states she doesn't need Mooji he is happy. But her attachment is still intact because she fully doesn't understand the detachment process which needs to be to reach the true self. Our intellectual self understands before we can comprehend the spiritual. So the jokes/laughter are not intended for harm only in agreement that she is free and she has not been able to realize because she is still attached to the physical. The few laughs are because Mooji is happy for her, and makes the joke to save money on plane tickets because if fully realized she would not be expressing such sorrow. She needs to continue on her path to fully realize the contradiction of her own words. I trust in ,y heart Mooji was perfectly proper in his addressing this women.
DeleteThe video was a great teaching. It is up to the guru to break this type of attachment and to make one rely on the one.
ReplyDeleteWho knows what happened preceding to this and what will happen post this this happening.
This is between the student and teacher and it just has occurred in front of people, that's all.
And if one is familiar with Mooji he makes you see the different aspects of what is happening in that moment, it is a spur of the moment thing between Student and Teacher.
Who is the one making judgement or seeing there is something wrong with this?
OR as Robert used to say, "Who sees this?"
reply: "me"
Robert: "Who is the me?"
....
Paul
She is in pain and it is a good pain. She is realizing her attachment to him and giving that up. She is in truth the guru within herself. Her tears are bittersweet as she unfolds the freedom of love. She does not reject him, simply acknowledging it's time to move on. That is what some of the laughter is about. Mooji laughs with her and others laugh too. Still many laugh out of discomfort because they may cling to the belief that something or someone outside of them is going to transform them. This is the external savior program which she has removed.
Delete"Yet, what does Mooji say, he goes old Muzika on her and says, “That will save a lot of airline tickets.” He is speaking to the crowd, making a joke, and not hearing her--JUST AS I HAVE NOT HEARD SO MANY OF YOU IN THE PAST. "
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean? What are you saying, Ed?
Gary I see you posted several years ago so possibly you now see this differently. There is NOTHING wrong with this. I think this may have hit a nerve with you... People were laughing because they understood her longing and her attainment of the truth. Though she loves Mooji she doesn't 'need' him. She is more of a sovereign being...And Mooji's comment to her about saving airline tickets is very sweet. She doesn't NEED to be near him to do her spiritual work she has matured. He was jesting with her. I don't see her in pain as much as she is realizing she has now a different relationship to Mooji, one we all would like to get to. She is fortunate. He goes on to tell her how she should now take her light into the world. She is very much validated by him with an enormous amount of love.
DeleteOn the contrary Paul, a teacher looks for the devotee, the student that surrenders his/her life to the guru and sticks with him through thick and thin, because there is a lot of thick on the spiritual path as deeper and deeper layers of psychopathology are exposed because of the love between the guru and devotee. Jealousy is a big one and lack of emotional mirroring, and many more layers of infantile stuff that comes up and must be worked through.
ReplyDeleteIf there is not a strong bonding, the pain of the inevitable repeated narcissistic injuries will cause the student to leave.
Those who made the most progress with Robert are those most closely attached to him, surrendered to him, and he was difficult to love because he was so distant. But he kept looking for it in people who came to him.
Remember, the spiritual journey at first is mostly one of emotional introspection and bonding issues. Many schizophrenics and borderline persons are naturals for spirituality because they can see and feel so deeply into their self structures because of faults in those structures and lack of adequate functional defenses.
But these defenses create conventional behaviors and communication, which means being boxed into deadness. Many people come to spirituality in order to awaken the heart again, not to seek oneness or the absolute. That may come later, but in the meantime, the needs of love and bonding need to be accommodated.
Too many words around here.
DeleteI saw the video. It was cruel. Not the first time seeing Mooji falling back into ego.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBUSgOljrk&list=WL&index=48
yes, like another video where a guy with some past trauma shares his pain. Mooji does not connect, stays in clouds. I would not share my trauma story with him.
DeleteLook into your own heart your own Sacred Space your own Stillness.True freedom is cutting the umbilical cord of attachment Moojiji did that successfully with great love Centrue sacredness.Love and gratitude moojiji
DeleteGary, I mean I have not heard the emotional needs behind the statemenrs and addressed them. I responded from a "guru" style mode of pointing to the absolute or the one, and missed the hurting person. Or, I had no idea of how to respond.
ReplyDeleteMooji totally failed to meet her in her pain at the loss of her dependence on him. He should have acknowledged her pain, hugged her or similar, and pointed out the loss of dependence was the beginning of an entirely new love relationship. Instead, he talked from his head.
I know many of you do not see this for many reasons. But a few do I know I speak truth.
In the end mooji does say "we are one", and "we can not be separated", doesn't he?
DeleteNever mind the crowd's stupid cackles. I don't sense mooji "bonding" with them - he just doesn't give them any importance, thank god...;-)
Mooji is obviously the one who created the atmosphere for the crowd to act that way. Classic cult stuff here.
DeleteMooji, being the guru, is the one who created the atmosphere for the crowd to act that way. Classic cult stuff.
DeleteI see your point entirely Ed. Only because I am in the throws of all of this myself. Yes, it is infantile, there is much pain, feelings of being abandoned or being misunderstood. I don't need or want a Guru who cannot embrace with sincerity the dynamic expressions of my humanhood; yet also help me to transcend them, but not deny them. 'Bonding' is crucial. For me, at least now, everything belongs.
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Mooji said, "need, need is not freedom". I can agree with that in the ultimate sense. BUT, to need and not be able to be open and honest about it is not freedom either. Being honest and authentic with my heart where it is and being able to say, "I need", for me right now is a freedom, albeit a shadow. Everything Belongs. Even the shadows bow in homage to that which is real...eventually.
ReplyDeleteI have no compass
but my Heart.
Trusting that seems
a risky adventure,
having been estranged
from it for so very long. by joan
Part of trusting my heart right now is opening up to this sense of 'need' that it seems to have. Risky? yes. Painful? you have no idea. Worth? Priceless.
With Great Love,
Joan
"Mooji totally failed to meet her in her pain at the loss of her dependence on him. He should have acknowledged her pain, hugged her or similar, and pointed out the loss of dependence was the beginning of an entirely new love relationship. Instead, he talked from his head."
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you here, Ed. The audience's laughter and his support of it felt totally jarring and inappropriate and painful to me. He did seem to come from his head and was completely divorced from her. At the same time, I know that Mooji has an immensely loving heart. I sat with him in satsang on Skype a few times when I was in NY a few years ago, and in person twice, and have also listened to many recordings of his satsangs. Sometimes he misses the mark and fails to meet the person where they’re at and goes off on stories or pure Advaita teaching. Another occasion comes to mind where a woman was dealing with intense physical pain and chronic sleeplessness, and consequently deep emotional pain. She totally understood the teaching and had been practicing it, but was still in agony. I didn’t feel he gave her what she needed. It was sad.
But I have also experienced Mooji meeting me right where I was at and pointing me to such peace in presence that dissolved whatever the current unreality was that I was experiencing. After his satsangs, at least when they were smaller, he would invite people to come up and hug him afterwards. The radiation of love from him was tremendous. Also, people often hug him after they’ve had their questions answered and, as Paul said, who knows what happened then. This was only a clip.
That said, I have chosen to be with you in satsangs and for you to be the one to point me toward awakening. I had gone as far as I could go with Mooji (which was at a distance with recorded satsangs and not one-on-one anymore) and, as you told me in an email, it’s important to stick with one teacher. My beef with Mooji, even when I was really into him, was that he didn’t give many people a way to wake up. Some got it, but some didn’t.
Your way of showing us how to go deep within and your awareness of what each one needs to do in order to do that is very personal and essential. I have seen this even in the few short and terse emails I’ve received from you. They always hit the mark and put me back on track. No doubt Mooji also doesn’t have the psychological awareness that you have that helps you to give your students what they need.
One thing that bothers me, though, is what I sense as a judgment of Mooji. He is helping a lot of people to wake up or at least to move in that direction. He helped me at a certain point. Robert always says that everyone is in their right place, and whatever is destined to happen is going to happen, etc. So be it. I feel fortunate to be where I am, and if it weren’t for Mooji, Eckhart Tolle, and many others, I wouldn’t be here now (if you look at it from a linear, causative perspective anyway). And if it wasn’t for a friend of mine in Mooji’s satsang, I wouldn’t have seen a copy of “Silence of the Heart” at that point in my journey.
Even if he and Tolle have become more commercialized and are taking in money from their teaching, what is that to thee? I think this echoes part of what Paul was saying.
I am so grateful you are in my life now. I know I have not completely dove in yet, but I am getting closer.
With much love,
Janet C.
Since she was a devotional student what she was going through is perfect and well but Mooji is Mooji, he has his own way, the body is doing what the body is doing in that moment, this is satsang.
ReplyDeleteIf we were in that position it may have been different but thats what another sees. In that situation all is well and unfolding as it should.
Should we want something to be different than what it is?
Let it all be.
Paul
Look, mine was not an indictment of Mooji as a guru or human being. I know little of him. I just was sent this clip to look at and I did. But because of an opening in me a few days ago, I saw clearly how he failed her compared to what he could have done, and I made clear, just as I have failed many others in the past. In Mooji I saw my failures as a teacher, knowing I will make mistakes still, but there is one type of mistake I will never repeat, and this is how he failed to address her distress. It was as if he did not know what to say and just made something up. I would have got up and hugged her, either in silence, or saying I still loved her, and I would have explained the ending of dependence certainly does not mean the end of love or the end of their relation.
ReplyDeleteMy message was limited to this. Then everyone else jumped on. I am not responsible for them.
Several people contacted me privately saying they were appalled by the laughter and his joining the crown, and not walking over to hug her. Many of us saw that this was the obvious thing to do IN THIS SITUATION AT THIS TIME.
I am pretty sure if he watched this tape while alone in his room, he would reach the same conclusion.
However, I have heard people tell me they learned a lot from the narcissistic injuries that I caused them. Who knows?
See, now what you say is compassion! Mooji is a hypocrite. He is only regurgitating information that he has picked up else where. Nothing mystical. Just a bunch of warm fuzzy talks. There is lots of money to be made in the guru industry..
DeleteSome excellent points brought up here. In particular, I'm thinking of the notion that a guru would need to transcend that kind of role into also serving as therapist to a troubled soul. In this sense, I'd have to commend Adyashanti, who in an interview in a book about non duality told the interviewer that he was in no way going to cross the line from his role as spiritual guide into that as a psychologist.
ReplyDeleteMatter of fact, at times, he'll even recommend a distressed person to a psychologist who's better equipped to deal with that.
Mark
I reviewed the video after making that previous statement and have to completely agree that the laughter and Mooji's comment was out of line, demonstrating that though unintentionally done, he wasn't equipped to handle this distress in the right fashion. It appears dismissive and the group's laughter reflects their own uneasiness with witnessing someone in a distressed state. Mooji might be someone who quite possibly isn't familiar with "spiritual bypassing" which only a few advaita teachers have said was true for them.
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"he (Robert) was difficult to love because he was so distant. But he kept looking for it in people who came to him."
ReplyDeleteIt always puzzles me when you talk about Robert like this. You've also said he was "lukewarm, at best".
I don't feel this, although I didn't know him, and only have the satsang tapes to rely on. But I love listening to his voice: I feel a lot of warmth, humour and compassion in it. He doesn't sound like someone who's distant or difficult to love - and I don't take easily to people. I often hear a lot of laughter at the satsangs - usually caused by Robert's 'dryness' - if you want to call it that, which makes me laugh a lot, too. And I like the calm and patient way he responds to questions.
I know you knew Robert well, and I never met him, but I feel as though you're talking about a different person to the one I've been listening to. I wish I had been as fortunate as you all were, to have known him.
(p.s. It's good to hear your voice on the tapes, Ed. Thank you, again to you and the others who recorded the satsangs.)
Gary
You are more and more sensitive Ed , and it is beautiful to feel this love .
ReplyDeleteProbably Ma Ananda Mayi would take this person on the video with a tender hug .
In silence .
In some cases , when we are rock bottom , all we need is presence of love.
Don't forget , for most of us ,we are still lost children , fallen from heaven .
The laughter clearly is cosmetic, not from heart.
ReplyDeleteBut I would want to stick with Robert here and say "don't mind".
As You say that Robert was impossible to love and I don't believe that, and this is because I don't see whole picture (only from recordings), so here we have same situation:
1. we don't know mooji
2. we don't know her
3. we don't know the relationship between mooji and her -
WE SEE NOTHING. And that means, that maybe to her it will be a catalyst to go even deeper...
Whether this is bad or good is in the mind only, Nisargadatta was known to be very "rude", but thats only in the mind as well. Its all more mind games.
ReplyDeleteI was in tiruvannamalai for a month in the beginning of this year..A friend of mine went to a mooji satsang..He remarked that the whole thing was not for him..All that he came across was a group of people seeking answers to their personal issues and most of the answers started with -'don't identify with that',it seemed more of a psychological discussion to him..He said perhaps it could be fruitful for beginners who were just embarking on their quest..Anyways that was his experience..Though i also heard a bunch of unflattering stories about mooji but one can hardly verify the truth about them so it's best not to share them.I did find one thing particularly funny though..I came across people attending the Mooji satsangs wearing big placards around their neck stating 'In Silence'..Perhaps it makes life easier for them because otherwise,they'd have to announce that they were 'maintaining mouna(silence)'and this would defeat the very purpose but it seemed more of an artificial or forced silence to me..Edji,the video that you've put up paints a rather insensitive picture..A strange satsang indeed..
ReplyDelete"He (Robert) was difficult to love because he was so distant"... It always puzzles me when you talk about Robert like this."
ReplyDeleteI've wondered the same thing as Gary. I remember when you, Edji, said this or something like it (that it was like there was nobody home?) at a satsang a few weeks ago, and in that moment I felt a rush of love rise up in my heart, and your statement just didn’t compute. He feels so present to me, though my experience of him has also been only through his written words and audio recordings. I feel in them a great warmth, compassion and deep caring for his students, and I also love his dry sense of humor. Some of the things he’s said make me smile no matter how many times I read them. I wonder sometimes whether he even knew he was being funny.
My favorite photo is of Robert placing his hand on your head. There is such love radiating from him toward you (and you toward him) that’s captured in that photo, through your eyes and smile, and something so profound emanating from his expression and gesture that defies words. It’s such a beautiful depiction of the love between guru and devotee.
Love,
Janet C
About Mark’s comment about Adyashanti recommending certain people get psychological counseling, I had a meditation teacher years ago who was a psychologist. He had a saying that arose from his own experience with people, which went something like, “From the cushion to the couch, and then back to the cushion.” He too would recommend that people leave meditation for awhile and get counseling if he felt they needed it.
ReplyDeleteWe’re all aware how much stuff starts to surface in meditation, and if you haven’t had experience dealing with your psychological issues prior to coming to the cushion or been deeply introspective, meditation won’t necessarily allow you to magically transcend those issues, but may even aggravate them. It seems it’s a fine line, depending on the person and what he or she is dealing with and the discernment, skill and background of the teacher.
Love,
Janet C
I can identify with the woman in pain. And the laughter of the group seems sardistic to me. I remember the poetry Edji spoke from Rumi. " And the people that scorn and laughter me yesterday where sorry they where not looking as I did". Yes consiousness is hars mistress. Real friends are hard to find in this world. I can count them on one hand.
ReplyDeleteYou're right Janet.
ReplyDeleteHowever if anyone can say that "Robert was difficult to love," this is of their own experience. Let them have their own experience.
For me Robert hasn't gone anywhere he is always right here.
Regardless of whether you were present at the time of his satsangs or never met him, the fullness of Robert is captured in the audio and writings if you have ears to hear. In fact you can throw them all away and still feel Robert.
How?
Because I can assure you that if you follow Roberts lead you will soon see that he is none other than your Self. He may even appear to you and comfort you and assure you that everything is unfolding as it should or maybe grab your hand and take you for a dance, or even take on a more serious side and take you through things you may not expect, but if you open your heart to him he will not fail you.
It really depends on you.
Doesn't this sound familiar, Robert has not gone anywhere he is right where you are, Wake up to your Self!
Love and Blessings to all
Paul
About "Spiritual teachers and Ordinary Human emotions"
ReplyDeleteI saw a similar video of Tolle....hes talking to an audience....same thing or rather more insensitive.He narrates one agitated man talking to him and he says he was smiling....the man asks him whats wrong with you am in pain and u r smiling.da da da
Tolles also compares his teachings with Ramana Maharishi and J Krishnamurti- wow what a farce to me.
Spirituality sellers all around- Cohen et al etc etc......the probability of many being total frauds CAN NEVER BE ZERO.
I think a teachers or masters work comes with a lot of responsibility -but ppl are always ready to put the blame on the individual.
Have you seen Gangaji having laughs with her husband on satsangs....that husband cheated on her, and him being with her still has lot to do with money -just sharing.
Do you know its reported that Muktananda used to have sex with 12 yr old girls -disciples -telling them stories about making love to God and later used to give them jewellery-one such woman who was a girl then is on facebook, totally shunned by sidhha yogis .Leaving Siddha Yoga website explains much.
This Guru game is played to the hilt in India, its the curse of Hinduism also Tantra....Chitvilasanandas brother after she kicked him became a Mahamandeleshwar......wow what a fix the man did....u need organic growth if you want that title .Am not judging anyone but a lot of Gurus are fake either they r ignorant or on purpose they do it.Chitvilasnanda charges for that annual lecture or whatever that is and it is never aired live.
Btw these gurus ,why do they show lineage to so and so.
The only man i know of who was totally bereft of any guru game was Nisargadatta -of whatever i have read on him.
Ed this is not the first time you are using Mooji to pick on and as a example. It's not becoming of a true teacher. To be honest I am more than a little surprise. The same could be done of you or anyone. The real question is do you ever see Mooji trying to point out faults with other teachers/Guru's ways? Look in the human body/mind none are perfect.
ReplyDeletePlus you need to use a spell checker.
Seriously something is not right here. Your time is far more valuable than to use to find where other teachers miss the point. Normally I would not post but you have brought up Mooji a few times for different reasons. It's best just to bring your own self up if you need a example.
Lastly Ed you have absolutely no idea what was going on in that woman consciousness you simply do not know only she knew and you were simply a spectacular at best.
I have sat with many teachers and there were times when someone as yourself could have mistaken what was going on with me and the teacher because they were getting it second hand but when ask of me during a similar situation I told the person that was just what I needed my teacher was letting me cook for a while. So best dear Ed to stay with your own for that you know.
With love
I seriously don't know what you want from me, but you want something. If I knew what it was I'd try to give it to you.
ReplyDeleteBut let's look at some facts. You criticize me for "criticizing" Mooji. Why do you ignore your own advice? Other's have suggested I merely say, how I would have handled it differently. I'll do that instead. I would have hugged her and said I love you still.
You say I have referred to Mooji several times critically. That is not true. I don't ever remember it and if you search this blog for "Mooji," this is the only comment that even mentions him.
You have a theory that this may have been the perfect answer for her. Maybe, on a superficial level, said by someone who admires, loves and protects Mooji, but even some of the former hard cases in our satsang--like me--recognize that Mooji and the crowd totally ignored her pain and failed to even acknowledge let alone deal with her distress.
Believe me, incompetent teachers can easily cook anyone just by being blunt or by not recognizing a painful situation or conflict. Being ignored or misunderstood cooks a lot of people, and poor teachers, or narcissistic teachers do it all the time.
Suppose your daughter came to you and said, "Dad, I love you so much but I have to leave home. I feel finally grown up enough to carry on my life independently. AND SHE TELLS YOU THIS IN HUGE DISTRESS WITH MANY TEARS. How would you respond? Wouldn't you just hug her, say you always will love her, and she is always welcome back home?
I suppose if she truly dose not need her guru, this too will be nothing as mooji says Nothing, Nothing, No thing Nothing. Maybe she will see that she is not ready if this is something to make her unhappy. This is the whole teaching, non attachment. I don't see that Mooji did anything wrong. This is a time for celebration. Her tears may be tears of joy.
DeleteI am going to be writing honestly today. Im not going to be writing to you Ed, about what the others have written about. I started talking to you around the time rajiv awoke. Everything started great, and i really loved you. However time went on, and no matter how much devotion i showed you, it did not seem to be returned. I stopped contacting you after awhile, last year sometime. I have still read your blog and the devotion you show to the others here and I dont understand, it wasnt like I was looking for it from you, but sometimes you left me feeling cold. In all honesty I was happier before I came across advaita. You used my correspondence emails in a pdf entitled something like 'people that have awoke under edji'....I am still here struggling, the seeking has not culminated. I dont hate you or have negative feelings toward you in general, i just think i was hurt alot, and yes like you said here in your blog post, you did not hear me in the past
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Hmm with respect just a week or so ago you got on Mooji for charging money for real time satsangs?
ReplyDeleteAnyhow good luck with your path.
with love
i agree with Ed that the lady just needed a hug and an assurance as Edji says that "the end of dependence certainly does not mean the end of the relationship and the love". and the insensitive laughter of the crowd and Mooji's smugness turns me off totally.
ReplyDeleteSeveral posts ago an Anonymous writing cited Edji's need for a spellchecker and later in that article writes:
ReplyDelete"Lastly Ed you have absolutely no idea what was going on in that woman consciousness you simply do not know only she knew and you were simply a spectacular at best."
A "spectacular" at best?? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!(and yes, I know this might seem petty but the sheer hypocrisy of it cracked me up).
And yes, he was quite in error about Ed's having criticized Mooji where that simply wasn't the case.
Mark
ELE - Everybody love everybody.
ReplyDeleteIsaac
Wow,
ReplyDeleteOkay first I need to laugh a bit. I mean I am all for waking up but please the previous poster was correct imo Ed has picked on Mooji first about the whole money deal bla bla bla and then about how he handled a certain person. It's really clear that our dear Ed is getting older and maybe forgets what's on the blog. Now I am much younger than Ed and I forget often. However I don't pigeon hole spirituality and it seems to me that a whole lot of that goes on here. So the bottom line you deserve what you get. When the blind follow the blind sooner or later they end up buddies in the ditch. Not so bad if you like ditches.
I think the woman should have had a private session with Mooji alone. She needed comfort and affection, not words. A hug would have make one thousand better than a theory.
ReplyDeleteThe crowd laughed and, as often, the crowed goes globally unconscious and just mimic the other's idiosyncrasy.
Definitely, the reaction was unappropriate, and reflecting a global discomfort with the truth of this woman's suffering.
In her suffering she is very, very authentic and true with herself and in front of the master.
God bless her. May she find love at the bottom of the well.
Julien C. from france.
I have to differ here. I think the sentiment that Mooji was insensitive is exaggerated. The woman made it quite clear that Mooji was her everything, like a child feels about their mother. What child feels the mother is being cruel when the mother chides them for being too attached? The love and appreciation has already been formed.
ReplyDeleteMooji is a teacher to all, not just the woman, and if he did not feel that the kind of attachment was appropriate then it was important that he got that point across to the whole audience, even if it appeared to be at the expense of the woman.
Surprising enoughly I had just been watching that clip in my playlists and I decided to create a list of links on my website including yours. Just shows.
"If he did not that kind of attachment was appropriate." Frank, isn't that a huge assumption, that he did find neediness inappropriate and that is why he spoke to the crowd as he did?
ReplyDeleteHowever, you are the first to propose an alternate theory as to why Mooji ignored the feminine principle in this story. I welcome that.
This page came up again in another search, so I am back again.
ReplyDeleteIf you listen to the women what she is saying that although she loves Mooji, she doesn't need him anymore. her exact words "It's like leaving something you love love so so much, and yet know I am never going to leave, but something doesn't need you any more". Mooji goes on to emphasize the difference between love and attachment, and what maturing and strength mean.
I think if you listen carefully to Mooji's response you will feel differently. She is unable or unwilling emotionally to accept a choice or a determination she has made at a deeper level. Perhaps she feels guilty or considers it ungrateful on her part. This song might settle her - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31piu_roberta-flack-this-side-of-forever_music
Hey -I think everyone's/most people are kinda right here (and that's what Mooji may say..)
ReplyDeleteI think he (M.) was a little insensitive,or unfeeling, maybe he was unawares, & yes, the others around were quite hideous, and yet I think the M. man handled it well. & maybe he was finding his own way for it to be a teaching for them all...
And it was only a moment in time... We can project onto that woman, she might have been more happy than sad. The element of vulnerability was very palpable...but I think it is very beautiful (it can be . . vulnerability makes us alive -...
I usually steer clear of New agey gurus, I think some beleifs/way-of-dealing-with-the-negative, of the 'newage' is quite hideous; but think this guy is real, and it is all in the Being-ness, essentially; we have to be to know this
Hey -I think everyone's/most people are kinda right here (and that's what Mooji may say..)
ReplyDeleteI think he (M.) was a little insensitive,or unfeeling, maybe he was unawares, & yes, the others around were quite hideous, and yet I think the M. man handled it well. & maybe he was finding his own way for it to be a teaching for them all...
And it was only a moment in time... We can project onto that woman, she might have been more happy than sad. The element of vulnerability was very palpable...but I think it is very beautiful (it can be . . vulnerability makes us alive -...
I usually steer clear of New agey gurus, I think some beleifs/way-of-dealing-with-the-negative, of the 'newage' is quite hideous; but think this guy is real, and it is all in the Being-ness, essentially; we have to be to know this
When Real is recognised and being is it....
ReplyDeleteNothing is needed any more...
and in it person, the mistaken personality doesnot understand how to cope with it and person often doesnot find suitable words for it...
And the tears r accompanied by a cocktail of luv, joy and pain...
Its a perfectly all right state of being....
Wordily ignorants, may understand it their stupid ways and its not their fault, its fault of their ignorance or their ignorant beliefs...
I think it is a Great video, public laughting is not important, people have this kind of silly laugh in front of truth like n front of lover, what really matters is his teaching, great truth!
ReplyDeleteMeh... just a bunch of sales people selling 'spirituality' and riding on the coat-tails of those before them taking the willing donations of the feeble-minded and giving them hot air and guru-speak (which is the same thing)in return. There is something terribly grubby about it all, grown people whining and blubbing before a manipulative hoaxer being fed B.S. that they gobble down. No wonder the world is sick.
ReplyDeleteMooji should have said this? or should have said that?
ReplyDeleteWhat Mooji actually said:
"a true relationship has to move beyond need..." And you can not reject what I am because I am you.
hi, its my first time here, dont know any of you, but i know the new age and "spirituality" are full of jokers, i am cautious of all gurus and ashrams
ReplyDeleteits funny, i was googling moojis sex life because i read he was with multiple women, i dont know if that is true, but thats how i found this blog.
i saw mooji in rishikesh last year for three weeks, andhe was teaching by donation there, so its not true about the money thing, i believe he teaches for a month each year in india for free...
anyway after three weeks i went up and spoke, i didnt ask a question, as i believe the whole question and answer format is contrived from the get-go.
i like how bashar invites sharing, rather than q & a. he says that way he can often gauge the question for himself.
and also the q and a structure seems undermining to me, i find it disempowering
so i went up after three weeks of daily satsangs, i spoke about how a kot of spiritual people were escaping things, and how its really important to eat good food. spend time in.nature, be with animals, grow our food. mooji didnt get it. i also heard a rumor he is diabetic, im not surprised, the belly he has. and im not here to judge but what i want to do is explain something i have lesrned in my life. basically my father works in the health field, physical hrslth. thou he calls it holistic, i disagree, to me holistic would incorporate all bodies, mental, emmotional, physical and spiritual. anyway my point is about body consciousness. my understanding is that human beings spend a lot of time trying to leave fight and flight and freeze mode, and they do it by infinate means, food, tv, sex, spirituality. therefore the idea of celibacy as a form of escapism developped, relatipnships were challenging for ego identified men, i kind of think that woman dont really have the same challenges as men but men give them trauma and expectations, the men objectify the women to feed their egos, anyway i love adyashantis teachings, and have met his wife, mooji i dont know if hes single, but doesnt seem to be open about his relationships with women. i think there is nothing wrong with a man being with a woman. even if he is a guru, but i do believe in monogamy in normal life.
ReplyDeletein a tribe polygamy might work...
on another blog they were accusing mooji of hai multiple partners or sexual energy and saying it was a sign he wasnt enlightened. do these people knowu how rediculous they sound? ok i dont support the multiple partners thing because it sounds like guru corruption but if it is true and voluntary, then whos business is it really? but why do people think a guru or spiritual master shouldnt have sex? how ludicrous! we are human beings, i think sex is heslthy.
anyway, my point here is about transcendence, and spirituality, mooji and many other gurus are overweight and it doesnt make sense. i think a true awake being would have a healthy body, so i have to conclude that these types of gurus reached enlightenment through escapsism, mening they lesrned to merge with the atman but they didnt lesrn to merge with their body.
body consciousness is something i think we all should have, and part of being human is exercising, eating well, and yes even sex! eating well means not eating too much, not eating too little. even adyashanti gets sick, actually an illness seems to have been almost fundamental to his "Awakening"
but he, post awakening still gets sick. shat is this? to me an awake being wouldnt really get sick, theyd eat really well. not out of fear of death but to honour their body and to feel good in it...so imhave to assume that the baby boomer generation of spiritual teachers got there through some form of bypassing and havent really moved on from there, their teachings have really helped me, dont get me wrong.
sorry i didnt adress the thread! i did read all comments etc.
but i shared my exp with mooji, and i think he sounds like an angry school teacher a lot of the time...he seems to like the attention, so does amma, and love is not a sign of awakening...hehe that reminds me of jed mkcenna saying he doesnt do heart.
but i do think i have to agree with ed about this one! i also find mooji can be cold and yes he does transmit a lot of love. but at is not enough...as a side note i was in rishikesh and wanted to meet moojimand he was in my part of town and so i went to meet him and overheard him talking with a man that was so ex ited to see him, and i hesrd mooji say "i am just a regular person" so i decided not to meet him at that point. lol. for some reason my desire to meet him died after i heard that. actually i dont like to meet normal people i like to meet natural,people hahah they seem rare!
my statement to mooji at the satsang kind of seemed to tick him off, and after i said it he asked me what my question was..i asked him what made him think i had one! lol my point is to address the body, and try to bring back our respect snd honoring of it! i dont think he should have to be sick and overweight nd drink juice, it just doesnt seem like a sign of living in the natural state! to me it shows some kind of detachment from the incarnation!
Its interesting that a teacher like Owen Fox talks a lot about honoring the body, and nature, and Lisa Cairns says she is vegan.
They are younger and I think more progressive than the historic "Enlightned" Beings, look at Nisargadatta's smoking, I dont know of any modern teachers that smoke, so I think things are just slowly getting closer to truth.
Wow! The world truly is seen completely coloured by our own mind's perspective, hey? How marvellous!
ReplyDeleteI watched the video above and I saw nothing but love and compassion coming from that man. The joke at the beginning wasn't a cruel play to the crowd! It seemed to me the kind of thing I would say to a dear friend who came to me in distress to ease their tension a little before I gave them reassurance.
If someone says to their guru that they have made the wonderful (but maybe also scary) discovery that they don't need the guru any more and this distresses them, imagine if the guru were to jump up, hug them and pat them on the back, saying, "There there, I am here now, it's all ok, I'll look after you..." what are they REALLY saying to them? It would be, "Well, you might THINK that you are independent of me but see how you still need me to take away your distress! Where's your independence now?".
What I saw Mooji do in this video was to praise the woman's strength, her spiritual maturity; he told her that this feeling of 'not needing' was exactly as it should be; he described the process as "very beautiful" and ended by saying, "You cannot separate from who I am because I am One with you. We are One."
I think that, in truth, the only person who can comment on this video with any authority is the woman in question but I am willing to bet that she felt loved, comforted and ultimately strengthened by this meeting.
With much love to all,
Zoe
Thank you for expressing perfectly all what I was struggling to express after watching the video and reading comments up to yours. Much love to you too.
DeleteI don't understand your issue with this. Mooji is pleased that the woman has found that which doesn't need him. You would have her need something other than the Self? Then you would have her be a person - an ego - and not what she truly is.
ReplyDeleteMooji points directly, always. He won't give credence to any ego: this is what he says, and this is what he does. If you listen at the end of the video, you can hear her begin to laugh: she knows that he's right, she knows that her feeling of "needing" him was just that - a feeling that arose in the awareness. It is not real.
Couldn't agree more with you Zoe !!! I was actually reading all comments with plan to end up writing one alike yours... Now I can just thank you for doing that job before and instead of me hehe.
ReplyDeletewith love, Tasha
I saw the video and loved it and cried with joy for the woman! She realized she didnt
ReplyDeleteneed Mooji any more as her teacher and guide because she is awake! Mooji was also
pleased with her acheivement and made a joke, because he is without ego.When you
wake up, you will be so enveloped in pure love, you will find you no longer need anyone!
Sorry but you missed the point, she was there to discover something about herself and she was totally succesful and so no longer needed her teacher. Of course she had tremendous love and gratitude to him for helping to succeed and this is why she was so emotional. His response was perfect.
ReplyDeleteYes you are right - it is all love. Very beautiful. Thank you.
DeleteI think you are misguided here. I think you are judging the situation based on how it triggers YOU and maybe your teaching style if you are a teacher. I watched this same video, was a little concerned about the laughter when I heard it as well, but as Mooji's response unfolded, his words and that particular look of compassion I see in him, left me thinking that if I was her, it would have been the perfect response for me as well. He did make a joke, yes, the crowd did laugh, yes, but the wholeness of the unfolding, from my perspective anyway, was very appropriate, supportive and loving. Some people do actually ask for emotional support with their actions when in fact what they need is a firmer, guiding response. I do this often with people when they approach me in an emotional state, and the result is that they trust me to do what is true, not just what they think they need at the time. This is actually a sign of a very skilled teacher. It is responses exactly like this that has led me to trust teachings in the first place. It's because Mooji doesn't just hug everyone who is emotional that he has gained the respect of many. Just my two cents! But I honestly think it's worth 3 cents! :o)
ReplyDeleteMooji is the Devil and you are Jesus Christ. Thank you for saving all of us.
ReplyDeletep.s. Thanks for a link to an AMAZING video.
I did not see anything but compassion and understanding in what was a very raw and touching moment between a guru and his student. I perceived no maliciousness in the laughter and Mooji's comments expanded upon his own understanding and empathy of her situation with wisdom. The woman was clearly overwhelmed with her emotions, there was nothing for Mooji to do but to be bring her higher in her understanding of them to really help her up and offer her the support of believing in her enough to wrestle with her own emotions and transcending them, in fact I found the interaction between them to be beautiful and I cried for her new found understanding. It was a grown up moment and one that a very good counselor/therapist may have treated in a very similar manner. This is the first time I have ever encountered anything on Mooji as it was my search on his name after a referral that brought me to your site. However, after watching and listening, I am now inclined to listen further to his teachings. As someone who has trained as a therapist, I respectfully ask if there is a possibility that you are projecting some unresolved matter of your own onto Mooji? Thank you.
ReplyDeleteAs this women spoke, I experienced a great joy for her watching this clip. She was emotional, yes, clearly sadness around letting go of the sense of needing that she quite enjoyed... but she indeed came up on stage to share the great news! Rather than looking at her guru to point her to the answer of the question "who am I", she has recognized that this answer is within, NOT with Mooji, and has come to share this.
ReplyDeleteThis to me is the explanation of Mooji's joyous and light response as he hears news of her freedom, in comparison to which her sadness of (perceived) change in their relationship is nothing at all. He does not pay attention to the emotions that mourn a non-loss, he celebrates the gain, not from a place of mind, emotions or selfishness, but the immediate awareness of her freedom. The tears are over a broken attachment, not lost love. He knows it, she knows it. And she wants the audience to know it. Such is my experience with this situation.
I would actually go as far as saying, had Mooji hugged this woman at this moment, it would have been misguided and could have been very confusing to her, as she just had officially cut the perceived cord, which took her courage to do, and a hug could have been confusing and cause even more pain.
ReplyDeletePersonally I have let go of a beloved towards whom I have felt such intense feelings and if the process of my declaration to her of this had taken the same setting, I would be eternally grateful for her to in that moment to respect the distance my declaration affirms, rather than create immediate closeness and lead to profound doubt and confusion.
Much love
Adrian
Much love and forgiveness to a) the distressed woman b) the crowd c) Mooji d) Ed e) all the commentators
ReplyDeleteThanks we can all use much love and forgiveness....Peace!
DeleteMooji is the real deal. His love and compassion are ruthless! He shows sympathy only when truly needed but at all times keeps pointing you to the truth and does not allow you to fall back in to hypnosis. Robert Adams was also the real deal.
ReplyDeleteCristian
You are a fool.
DeleteI saw the video and I agree that this woman was laughed at?? I dont understand why people laugh when someone is crying and in pain within themselves. This Mooji dude is making jokes, perhaps because he can't deal with her emotions and tears? So he uses his bombo Jambo talk to escape the real reactions within himself, that he cant deal with. Perhaps its hard for him to deal with the fact that she wants to leave him as her teacher? Instead of Mooji using simple words to express that he is REALLY happy for this woman, that she finally has the guts to stand on her own two feet and be on her own. If you are going to be a leader or teacher be responsible for your actions as a teacher and dont make fun of peoples emotions or what they are honestly sharing about themselves. Espeicially when they are in deep emotional discomfort and pouring their privacy in front of alot of people. Its just not nice. Sorry, but thats my true observation and feelings from my heart that I witnessed from watching the video. As the saying goes: "When in Doubt, there is NO Doubt...."
ReplyDeleteEd, please, please . . . I must know. I you just a very clever satirist? This cat colony thing is very hard to believe as being anything other than satire. Is there really a "Jimmy" or is this all your own creation to achieve the status of a "charity" in order to take advantage of little old ladies who really DO care about feral cats? I have to know, Ed, are you for real? If you are not "for real" then I am NOT amused. If this is merely a satirical site, please don't use innocent animals as your punch line. My mother-in-law really DID take care of feral cats. She was a "cat lady." She fed all the neighborhood strays and paid with her own money to have them spayed or neutered. Again, if you are trying to be cruelly humorous, I am NOT amused.
ReplyDeleteI won't speak with Ego or pointed fingers however I will say that by putting him down is not a very enlightening practice. Our journeys are each our own. How we interpret interactions with Mooji and his followers are OUR interpretations. I watched the video and yes my initial reaction was one of discomfort but not because of anything Mooji said or did, but because I was struck by my need and by how each awkward laugh in that room mirrored mine. Mooji says you need Satsang until you are ready to face things. This woman did not run out crying in ridicule. She sat in observance because she did not need her guru to guide her anymore. He taught her to guide herself. This is beautiful, her tears are beautiful.
ReplyDeletePlease stop this meanness. Mooji is not my guru but I love him just the same. Ig you were my guru Ed Muzika, and I read this, I would no longer follow you because this post preaches and ponificates. How can you teach love and acceptance along with blame I won't speak with Ego or pointed fingers however I will say that by putting him down is not a very enlightening practice. Our journeys are each our own. How we interpret interactions with Mooji and his followers are OUR interpretations. I watched the video and yes my initial reaction was one of discomfort but not because of anything Mooji said or did, but because I was struck by my need and by how each awkward laugh in that room mirrored mine. Mooji says you need Satsang until you are ready to face things. This woman did not run out crying in ridicule. She sat in observance because she did not need her guru to guide her anymore. He taught her to guide herself. This is beautiful, her tears are beautiful.
Please stop this meanness. Mooji is not my guru but I love him just the same. Ig you were my guru Ed Muzika, and I read this, I would no longer follow you because this post preaches and ponificates. How can you teach love and acceptance along with blame, cruelty, judgement?
This made me laugh actually. All I see is compassion and love coming from Mooji not disrespect. This woman is talking about letting go of her need for him and he is supporting her in this inquiry. I see no ego coming from him at all - he fully present for her. Who ever is saying this is looking through their own filter of hurt and history because all I see is support and love. Listen to her report - its a bit off in some ways but Mooji's response is about trusting Oneness and helping her realize she is maturing in her spirituality and relationship with him.
ReplyDeleteMooji loves the attention and devotion, he gives a lot of good advice and spiritual truths but just be aware his ego is still present.
ReplyDeleteThose of you who have had a true relationship with a Sadguru will only understand her feeling as a devotee and Mooji''s response to her as a Guru. He did exactly what any Sadguru will do when he will see the maturing state of a disciple which is held back from attaining the next level because of her worldly attachment and dependence on the Sadguru. Guru is like 1000 moms in one and his ways are mysterious. The true response of Sadguru can't be measured by these worldly eyes and the delusional mind. The real proof is in how the devotee grows over period of time. You will have to be fortunate to experience it. You can't learn swiming by reading books and analyzing those who are swimming from the poolside. I will ask Edji if he ever surrendered to a Sadguru or still hasn't taken a plunge into deep-water where the real swimming takes place. If he has, he will see the intricate dance and purpose and end result of it. If not, he will admit that there is a while dimension out there that he may not be expoaed to yet. I say this with utmost respect for the Guru and with utmost love for Edji as what's in his core is not seprate from what's in me. OM.
ReplyDeleteEverything in this video is as it should be. If it were meant to be another way then it would have been. She heard what she needed to hear. The guru simply pointed the way. Who is to contradict LIFE?
ReplyDeleteMooji's response was loving, compassionate, gentle, wise; all in all: perfect!
ReplyDeleteMooji is egoless. Mooji is the Truth. Ego and mind cannot understand Him.
Padmasri
Nothing wrong there. We are too concerned about, how things must unfold. We don't see deeper if we are limited by the person. As i see right now Mooji give a strike to the Egoic Mind :). And if we say that Mooji's behaviour is unfair then we could say that also God behaviour is unfair for many reason in our present live. Untill we can't surpass our egoic state then better not judge and circumscribe anything. I think a guru is not here to hug you or for act as you think or wish :). Sometimes we need to be shocked to realize another kind of limitation, another hidden believe that keep us back from the Truth. With much respect, Janos
ReplyDeleteMooji is a person who has read a lot about Ramana Maharshi.
ReplyDeleteHe has been with Poonja who claimed to have been a disciple of Ramana. But Sri Ramana NEVER had a disciple!
We see. We think we know. We utter what we believe we know. The noises of humanity. Billions of voices and opinions. Effervescent. Evanescent. Foam on the vast ocean of Truth.
ReplyDeleteAll of you sitting in judgment, Why? If you find faults in Mooji, are they not a mirror of your own seeing?
ReplyDeleteNo they're not because i find no fault with many other teachers.
DeleteI don't know anyone personally who is attracted to these kind of teachings let alone know or have met with an enlightened so called being.
ReplyDeleteBut where I'm at right now at least is how could anything be wrong I've played that game for 56 years
Today when judgement comes Ill try to not let get past my nose and imagine it just disolving and be still
D Faulkner
Laughter in Mooji's satsangs is an expression of uncontainable love, not ridicule. Those familiar with Mooji's satsangs are aware that he does not consider himself a teacher or a counselor, but simply one who points to things for others to examine. During his weeklong events all attendees maintain silence for the entire week. The only talking is the one person interacting with Mooji to offer a question during the group satsang. Although the question or information may be personal, Mooji states he takes these instances to teach the entire group and it is not a personal counseling session. The laughter stems from the total relaxation and freedom of those growing through their own introspection stirred by the satsang content. Mooji challenges his audience to shed all the personal attachments, concepts, and ego driven pursuits of which most of daily live by. When one understands the teaching of Mooji you will see that her comments simply tell Mooji that she has not progressed to the point she thinks she has. He does not cater to reassuring a person they will be fine and reach bliss continuing down a mental or ego centered path. His method may seem cruel or odd to a person who operates from a psychotherapy or a ten step path to enlightenment method. To be critical of his methods show little comprehension of his methods and what he is teaching. He does not want anyone devoted to him to guide through life and the hereafter, he wants them to discover God within right now and become that which he is created to be. This can happen in an instant or take a lifetime but it can only be done by the person themselves. No teacher, guru, couselor, or therapist can make this happen. Mooji says to this person in the video as he does to all that hear his words - find that which is behind the one seeing and speaking and all the answers you seek will be apparent. If you have come to the point that you do not need a teacher, including Mooji, that is a time to celebrate quietly and personally. You need no soothing words or platitudes.
ReplyDeleteI've watched alot of the Mooji stuff on Youtube, i've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt but i was done with him a long time ago. he's just full of profound sounding BS basically. I think at one time he perhaps went through a process of awakening and realisation, but no more. He's relying on knowledge alone and resting on past laurels. In short, he's hamming it up. Some of his devotees are so naive it's almost embarassing to watch them swoon at his every word. I also see him playing up his 'heritage' of being a deciple of Papaji, and Papaji being a disciple of Ramana maharshi, like he want's recognition and credibility by associating himself with those great teachers, but all he does is steal their words and parrots them endlessly.
ReplyDeleteI know that many people would love to see Mooji hugging her and telling her sweet things, but that would be just another game of mind. She obviously completely fell into her thoughts and gets tangled in it. That is totally opposite to what Mooji told her many times. I think that he did the best what hi could do in that moment. You cant say that she was much more calm after what he said even that your mind reviewed it as inappropriate act. As i said, she was totally under domination of her mind, probably that "something whats doesnt need him anymore" is telling her that she is doing wrong. And for me, attachment to someone, who is telling you to be free, is wrong by itself. She just need a brake.
ReplyDeleteBtw. sorry, if i made some mistakes, english isnt my native language.
Bye!
Wow, I just stumbled upon this post which was written in 2011, but I see that others have begun to respond this year of 2016 as well, so I'll continue. I'm mostly in agreement with Ivo Mizak who acknowledges that he/she can see why most would like to see Mooji have hugged the woman who has allowed herself to feel "distressed", but for him to coddle her, would have gone against what he teaches....To be free. To know who "I" really is. She finally figured out that she doesn't need him! Viola! It's time to grow up! I enjoy listening to Mooji and I'm always in awe at the beginning of each video at how the people seem to worship Mooji, something he is not trying to get them to do. He points them back to themselves...not him. For the dear lady to have become so attached to him when he always teaches to be unattached, is a lesson she's had to learn. Not being unsympathetic--I'm a very empathetic person. The people who laughed I believe truly felt happy for her because she's growing! They weren't laughing at her! That is awesome for her to realize she doesn't "need" and never has needed Mooji to be who she is.
DeleteDoug Simpson, you said it so eloquently! My thoughts EXACTLY!
DeleteTo Anonymous who posted on Sat., 7/9/16, stating that Mooji is just full of profound sounding BS basically, I don't agree. You also said that he is just stealing and parroting the words of other great teachers. Who do you think those great teachers learned from? There's truly nothing new under the sun! We all are one and each one teaches one. Although we may be "parroting" the words of another (as you say), we still add our own individual spin on it, because though we are one, each one still expresses him or herself differently. So Mooji delivers what he's learned using his personal style. He won't be for everyone. You can go to another guru who will say the same thing, but deliver in a total different manner. It depends on your personal vibration.
ReplyDeleteSimple answer..You are what is wrong with it but that is also the insight, as I would ask where is the place in you that is so upset by this and how real is that? Answer must be thought of for at least 7 minutes before matured to a useful point.
ReplyDeleteOnly true seekers would understand the conversations between the woman & Mooji. In gist, the woman found freedom (i.e. discover her true self) and she no longer needs to rely on Mooji anymore.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure who "Ed" is but I cannot for the life of me see how he could be upset by this video, especially if he is indeed a 'spiritual teacher' himself. The crowd was sharing in her joy! Sure she was crying, sure there was 'pain', but she had just realized something beautiful, loving, and profound. And Mooji of course knew that and responded very lovingly and very realistically. Should he have showered her with sympathy for her having realized a very beautiful and mature thing? That she can now go on without his direct support? You seem to equate the "deep love" you mentioned with her "attachment". Not at all the same things, my friend. She can never love the former, while being blessed to have recognized and moved beyond the latter. How can Mooji not be happy for her? In my opinion it was a beautiful video of a beautiful moment. She knew it, Mooji knew it, and the crowd knew it. Not sure what got you so upset....
ReplyDeleteMy cynical self was ready to see an egotistical side of Mooji from Ed's presentation, but it was not to be.I felt that Mooj met her with what she needed; and with love and understanding. She was declaring her freedom and he was accepting and celebrating with her. It was hard for her because she was really torn emotionally, with both grief and joy, but it was her truth and he was so gracious and humorous and clarifying in his acceptance of her release of him. Dennsi
ReplyDeleteYour observations are very accurate! I personally believe Mooji to be an extremely dangerous specimen, a "rajasic" guru, a cult leader abusing people who are vulnerable and creating dependancy on his "divine truth" - which seems to lead them more into a perpetual state of confusion than truth. If you pay attention to the body language and the spacey stare of the people, you can easily notice that even when they presumably "become enlightened" on the spot and histerically laugh, their minds are in utter confusion.
ReplyDeleteMooji should be in prison for how he leads people into temporary pain relief (joy), which explodes in their face once they go back home, where they become so depressed again that they return to Mooji again and again.
I am confused with his guru ego-identity, for example: his name Sri Mooji Baba (Sri: great/holy), (Ji: Sir), Baba: guru/teacher/saint. He took too many prefixs/honorific titles from other spiritual teachers: Sri Ramana Maharshi, Papaji, Sai Baba. If I I call him or other people Sri Mooji Baba it means in very modest form: Sir Great Teacher Moo. I am also wondering why he has adopted so much the hindu/indian culture/customs, his indian clothing, greeting, and words atc. I think he comes from Jamaica and grew up in UK. He probably wanted to create a new spiritual indian teacher guru-identity. I am his fan and I like him but when I saw him on the stage during many satsangs in Portugal, he was sitting in the middle/front of a large golden picture frame like a Hindu God, I was confused again by his spiritual teacher identity. He speaks about giving up the personality/ego-identity and shifting into the space of being or a place of silence.
ReplyDeleteOne must be willing at some point to even surrender suffering. Insane, I know. Otherwise it is recommended one stay away from people like Mooji, whom by the way, calibrates at 570 on the Hawkins map.
ReplyDeleteI've been following Mooji's teaching for a couple of years as I was going through my own pain and suffering. From his teachings, he is direct and he spontaneously shares what is needed at that moment. Because of his pointing of direct inquiry and ask the question "who am i", I finally realized the truth. I'm ever thankful for him, and I too no longer depend on him. I visit youtube to hear his voice, and lovingly enjoy how he helps others to realize the truth. Watching people "wake up" is a celebration! I share this happiness with them. As for this video, it may not seem appropriate to you just based on how Mooji projected his teachings to her, but it is meant for her. Your perception of this video is quite the opposite, as Mooji was loving and truthful to his answer. It's firm, but nurturing. It's playful, yet confident. Mooji lightens up the conversation as he understands the position the lady was in, because he himself was there too; as much as I was. Inquire further within and every actions we take all happens spontaneously. Mooji shared what was needed shared in that moment. One must trust in that and up to you how you perceive it. Namaste.
ReplyDeleteOver analyzing. He is not cruel to her, he is simply remaining neutral, not getting pulled into her emotionality. Equanimity. His eyes are kind, and he quickly assures her that what she is going through is something he understands. Mooji is a guru, he is not a God. He helps remove the darkness from our eyes. To become hooked by her emotional response is to participate in her delusion of needing him.
ReplyDeleteI'm very happy to read this. The line "playing to the crowd" just hit me so hard.
ReplyDeleteI have six months into a stay in Mooji's Ashram. I was very down and lost because of pressures I was under there. Suffering and seemingly surrounded by people who were psychologically absent (no not in a good way). It was all 'satsang' so it's all accepted and allowed, until they decide something is wrong with you and then you're quietly bustled out.
One day I was herded in front of a group of fifty people while Mooji was holding court. It was so inappropriate. And I tried to explain what was happening. But he just started talking and everyone started giggling, and it immediately struck me "Wow, he's just playing to the crowd".
And then I chose to push that feeling away. If you've been there, or if you're still there, then you know how the grouptalk allows you write off what I'm saying.
"If you're in your mind, he won't see you"
"He wants your 'A' questions not your 'B' and 'C' questions"
"You're projecting"
"He gave you what you needed in that moment"
And any number of little slogans that you've been conditioned to believe that allow this sort of behavior to be justified. But it wasn't. I pushed away that thought of him playing to the crowd, because there was no one there who would allow that idea.
But it's exactly what he was doing.