Beyond
freedom--Nisargadatta
Chapter 6:
identify with the body, suffer with the body.
Maharaj: While the knowledge is getting established,
you will be in a sleep-like state—even witnessing will not be there. You will feel as if you are asleep, but it is
not sleep. It is called Udmani, which
means “above the level of mind.” The
yogis and sages are in that state above the mind. It is a state that transcends the mind. When I talk, I am talking from the Udmani
state—from nothingness. It is a restful
and relaxed state.
(Comment: he is probably
talking about what Siddharameshwar called the causal body. Above, Nisargadatta states that in this
sleep-like state, even witnessing is not there. So where is the Witness? According to Siddharameshwar, we have to pause
through this sleep like causal state before we realized Turiya, a deeper level
of self, and in fact the origin of the I-Amness according to Siddharameshwar.)
Visitor: is it a state of
deep sleep?
Maharaj: Although it feels
similar to sleep, it is not sleep, because there is awareness or consciousness
deep inside. You will not have this
experience unless you are stabilized in peace and stillness.
Visitor: when I am reading,
sometimes there is an identity, and I see myself reading. Is that differ from the state you compared it
with?
Maharaj: while dreaming, you
observe the dream do not you? At that
time, the whole dream world is in front of you.
You simultaneously watch what is happening while also taking part in the
dream world as one of the characters, one of the actors. But here, you are purely a Witness. You are not acting but are merely a Witness, whereas
there you are also a participant in the dream.
(Comment: Very strangely he
contradicts above, where he says you are in a sleep-like state were even
witnessing is not there.)
Some gurus give
disciplines which only engage the mental aspect that activity. They get their disciples involved in the play
of the mind by referring to the concepts that appeal to them. They concretize their preferred concepts in
the form of activities for their disciples.
Leave all of that alone—there is no question of effort and no question
of elevating yourself to a higher level.
Where will this spark or flame go?
Where will my vital breath or prana go?
There is no question of it going anywhere. You only have to be aware as the Witness and
you will merge with the five elements.
(Comment: What does the “you”
in the above paragraph refer to? What
does it mean that “you” merge with the five elements? What I believe he could mean, is that you as
witness merge into, or disappear into the external world experience.)
If you identify
with the body-mind, you will have to undergo all of it suffering and misery,
while facing its effects. If you
identify with the body, you will suffer with the body. A swimmer, when caught in a whirlpool, has to
go down deep beneath the whirlpool, then swim beyond its diameter before coming
up to the surface. If the swimmer
struggles, he will become exhausted will be finished. Similarly, with this whirlpool of the
body-mind, before you become panicky dive deep down underneath—do not get entangled
with the body mind. Go deep beyond the
thoughts and come into the thoughtless state.
I tell you to ask me questions because I want to find out the depth of
your understanding. The questions are of
the mind, but you are not the mind.
First there is
the desire to “Be.” From this “I am,”
the air came first and the earth last.
Then from the earth came the vegetation and the many forms of life, each
having this “I-Amness.” Because of the
five elements you have the body, and in that body is the “I-Amness.” What you call death is when the vital breath
goes back into the air and the body merges into the five elements. When the vital breath separates from the
body, the “I-Amness disappears.
(Comment: again a bit of confusing discourse. When the body dies, it merges into the five
elements. Later he states that if you
just dwell in the I-Amness, the I am sensation, you will merge into the five
elements. In one case he seems to be
talking about the five elements as objects: fire, water, earth, air, sky. However elsewhere, he appears to be talking
about the five elements as what we observe as the entirety of objective world.)
If you come to
me as a man you may get something for your livelihood, but that will be your
only gift. However, if you come to me
understanding that you are God, that knowledge will manifest. For example, if there is a vacancy in an
office offering a salary of 10,000 Rupees a month, only a suitable man will get
the job as an unqualified man would not be able to last. Similarly, only people who consider
themselves as Brahman can get that knowledge.
Other people, who identify with the body-consciousness, are not fit for
it.
You must have
maturity and you must be worthy of the knowledge that you want to gain. By chanting “I am Brahman” you become subtle
and escape the sense of body-mind. If
you go to others so-called gurus, they will tell you something relating to your
body-minD sense, and tell you that if you follow certain disciplines they might
grant you something. But you will not be able to attain Brahma-hood. You must first accept that you are without a
body-mind and that you are subtle. That
sence must be instilled in you.
I look to this
Brahma state, my beingness (I-Amness), and observe my body—like an incense
stick with a spark on it. That chemical,
or seer, is here in this instance stick and is being burnt by that spark. You must become initiated into the
understanding of what I am expounding to you.
I am telling you about the seed of Brahman. You have to understand that I am planting the
Brahma seed in you. That Brahma seed is
your beingness (I-Amness), which sprouts into manifestation. That Brahma state does not require anything
to eat. It has no hunger, because Brahma
alone embraces everything it all manifestation is Brahma. I am trying to raise you to that state. Do not think you can become a realized-soul only
by listening to a few lectures here. You
have to forget everything and merge with Brahman.
(Comment: again the apparent contradiction. Nisargadatta states he is talking about the
seed of Brahman. He states my beingness,
my I-Amness, is your Brahma seed. He
says that Brahma state does not require anything to eat. It has no hunger, because Brahma alone
embraces everything; all manifestation is Brahma. Yet several places earlier in this book, he
states that I-Amness, beingness is dependent upon the body and is a
manifestation from the food that the body consumes. Yet he goes on to state that everything is
Brahman, everything is you.)
Visitor: what is the
difference between worldly knowledge and knowledge about Brahman?
Maharaj: You will not
realize it less the difference within you goes.
If you think you are the body you cannot gain this knowledge. Who wants to know about Brahman? Find that out first, then change the identity
of that I from the body consciousness to “I am one with Brahman.” Focus on that Brahman instead of on the
body-mind. You must understand yourself
correctly. You think I am a man, and
being a man means being conditioned by body and mind. How can you understand the Brahma state from
this standpoint?
Visitor: does that mean that
Brahma knowledge merely comes from the fact that “I am?”
Maharaj: Who is it that
needs to understand this the most, the knowledge that “I am?” If you listen carefully and imbibe the
principles, you will get rid of this body-minD sense and dwell only in the “I
Amness” (beingness). I am the love of beingness,
and beingness is itself love.
Visitor: the “I-Amness”
precludes the aspect of “I am not,” does not it?
Maharaj: you want to know
the link, the bridge between “I am” and “I am not,” is that it? First of all only hold onto the “I-Amness,”
without any words and just Be. When
somebody hails you, you respond, but before you do there is somebody within you
who becomes aware of the call and will need to answer. That being is the “I am,” and has been there
even before that awareness appeared.
(Comment: here Maharaj
appears to be identifying the “I-Amness” with the ultimate witness, does he
not? He states that the “I am” has been
there even before awareness appeared.)
Visitor: Does the flash of
light come from beingness— “I am?”
Maharaj: the moment the “I-Amness”
explodes or appears, all of space is lit up.
The entire sky is the expression of your beingness. Even though this whole world is an expression
of your beingness, you believe that you are only the body. Your love for the body limit your
horizons. But the moment those walls
come down, you are one with Brahman as the whole universe.
(Comment: once again,
Nisargadatta appears to be saying that everything is consciousness and you are
that. There is no way here he is talking
about anything prior to consciousness.
I-Amness is synonymous with the entire sky, and the whole world is an
expression of your beingness, but you identify only with the body. This love for the body or identification with
the body limit your horizons. In
actuality you are Brahman, or the totality of consciousness manifest as the
whole universe. Everything is consciousness.)
Look, Ed, maybe you´ll get angry with what I´ll say, but let me be very clear on this. With all due respect, you are making a severe mistake here, which is using his lowest teachings in order for us to find that what he really taught was that "Everything is Consciousness", which seems to be your present state. It is perfectly OK to me that you are in that state now, but don´t try to look for proofs in Nisargadatta´s serious teachings.
ReplyDeleteThe chapters you have transcribed from "Beyond freedom" are his lowest level teachings, When a person was completely confused he tried to take him out of the "body-mind" complex, but through baby steps, since he did not want to confuse him even more with words about the Absolute. But when the student was quite ripe, he pointed at that which was beyond Consciousness, prior to It, which he has ALWAYS said is our real nature.
What you are doing now is like searching for the real truth about Heisenberg´s Physics teachings while analyzing the conversations he had with his kids about this topic , while forgetting his real articles and studies, and then try to catch him in contradictions. Of course there are contradictions if you compare the different uses a person does of the same words when he speaks to two different -leveled students. If I am an expert in the moon and I speak with another expert, I will talk in technical language, but if I had to talk about the Moon to a 5 year old kid I could tell him that the moon is a shiny diamond in the sky...And both are fine in their due context, but it would be absurd to try to find the truth about the moon in my words to the 5 year old kid...
For example:
1/ He says "First of all only hold onto the “I-Amness,” without any words and just Be. When somebody hails you, you respond, but before you do there is somebody within you who becomes aware of the call and will need to answer. That being is the “I am,” and has been there even before that awareness appeared"
And you say, "here Maharaj appears to be identifying the “I-Amness” with the ultimate witness, does he not? He states that the “I am” has been there even before awareness appeared"
No. He is not saying that the "I Am" has been there before "Awareness". He is saying that when somebody calls you, you respond, but the "I Am" is there before the awareness of the call.
2/ He says "Maharaj: the moment the “I-Amness” explodes or appears, all of space is lit up. Your love for the body limit your horizons. But the moment those walls come down, you are one with Brahman as the whole universe.
And you say: " once again, Nisargadatta appears to be saying that everything is consciousness and you are that. There is no way here he is talking about anything prior to consciousness"
Of course he is not talking about Parabrahman, He is talking about Universal Consciousness, because he is talking with a low level student, so he adapts to him.
3/He says "First of all only hold onto the “I-Amness,” without any words and just Be. When somebody hails you, you respond, but before you do there is somebody within you who becomes aware of the call and will need to answer. That being is the “I am,” and has been there even before that awareness appeared"
And you say, "here Maharaj appears to be identifying the “I-Amness” with the ultimate witness, does he not? He states that the “I am” has been there even before awareness appeared"
No, this was just a semantic mistake from you. He is not saying that the "I Am" has been there before "Awareness". He is saying that when somebody calls you, you respond, but the "I Am" is there before the awareness of the call. One more time, one of his typical examples.
I´m sorry, Ed. I love you, but I can´t watch all this without saying something.