Consciousness, its nature, whether it is Universal in any way, or just limited to bodies, and the interplay with Shakti and the Unmanifest is the subject matter of Rishis, avatars, gurus, and teachers since the beginning of recorded time. There are so many answers, so many systems from Advaita Vedanta, to Tibetan and Zen Buddhism, each with many schools, Sufism, Kashmir Shaivism, each having a complete set of answers, some of which can be mapped onto other systems, and some not.
When you find simple answers, sweeping answers, you have the central teachings of one school or another, and to each school is added the life experiences of generations of saints, each amplifying and expanding on the insights, stories, and methods of their exalted predisessors. Thus we have 28 generations of Buddhist Patriarchs, a thousand years of Shaivite and Tibetan masters, etc. We have the Nath tradition of Nisargadatta, the school of Kashmir Shaivism founded by Nityananda, the lineage of Babaji to Muktananda, and tens of millions of students arguing which we self-realized, or enlightened, and who were not, based on their subjective criteria.
But all is well. Just turn your attention around, look and feel inside, and find riches beyond belief within your inner world.
But you will find so many here on FB that wrap their minds around one teacher, one method, one school, which they understand with their minds, not their hearts, and they become the haters of other schools, other experiences outside of their experiential universe.
All teachings are only concepts. All distinctions are only concepts. That is why we have to dig deep into the nature of our own experience, and only then check it against gurus, present and past.
31 October 2015
Nisargadatta, Robert Adams, and Ramana are the big three of traditional Advaita, and the principal guides of my entire Sadhana.
But I want you to take a look at what they say, feel what they say, and what do you feel?
Really they only talk about Turiya and, at least in Nisargadatta's case, That which lies beyond it.
I knew Robert first hand. I spent severn years with him. Most that claim his as their guru spent not one minute with him.
Robert was fun to be with only because he was my guru. Lost in himself, he really had nothing to do with the world which he considered a joke.
I just wanted to be around him all the time, trying to get a taste of where he was subjectively, and finally in 1995 had several experiences he acknowledged as "enlightenment." But let me tell you, the experience of and knowledge of the experience that I did not exist as a human and that the world was illusory produced no joy, but only 10 years of dwelling in emptiness, which was very dry indeed.
When Shakti came to me and awakened me to the joys of the Manifest Self in 2010, everything changed because at this point Consciousness itself became alive as Shakti and has remained so until now.
You cannot identify with the Absolute as you cannot experience the Absolute as some thing, as an object; you can only be is as the subject, and when you do so, the totality of existence is laid out before you as Consciousness, but with the identity gone.
However, when this happens, the principal of identification is absent and you cannot accurately say, "I Am That," because the ability to relate to objects is gone. You cannot even any longer say, "I am not That," because there is no longer a That.
Subject and object as a distiction evaporates. There is only Consciousness, but you cannot even say that. The distinction between Consciousness and the Absolute disappears too.
You body is no longer experienced as separate from the world. The I Am is no longer experienced as separate from the world. All become merged in with one experience of all that there is. You are part of all that is, but cannot articulate that as no time and no movement exist in this totality.
With t comes great peace--unbelievable peace of nothing to do nowhere to go. As the totality of Consciousness you are complete and immovable. Yet, you cannot even say, "I am complete and immovable" since no I-sense exists anymore.
But I want you to take a look at what they say, feel what they say, and what do you feel?
Really they only talk about Turiya and, at least in Nisargadatta's case, That which lies beyond it.
I knew Robert first hand. I spent severn years with him. Most that claim his as their guru spent not one minute with him.
Robert was fun to be with only because he was my guru. Lost in himself, he really had nothing to do with the world which he considered a joke.
I just wanted to be around him all the time, trying to get a taste of where he was subjectively, and finally in 1995 had several experiences he acknowledged as "enlightenment." But let me tell you, the experience of and knowledge of the experience that I did not exist as a human and that the world was illusory produced no joy, but only 10 years of dwelling in emptiness, which was very dry indeed.
When Shakti came to me and awakened me to the joys of the Manifest Self in 2010, everything changed because at this point Consciousness itself became alive as Shakti and has remained so until now.
You cannot identify with the Absolute as you cannot experience the Absolute as some thing, as an object; you can only be is as the subject, and when you do so, the totality of existence is laid out before you as Consciousness, but with the identity gone.
However, when this happens, the principal of identification is absent and you cannot accurately say, "I Am That," because the ability to relate to objects is gone. You cannot even any longer say, "I am not That," because there is no longer a That.
Subject and object as a distiction evaporates. There is only Consciousness, but you cannot even say that. The distinction between Consciousness and the Absolute disappears too.
You body is no longer experienced as separate from the world. The I Am is no longer experienced as separate from the world. All become merged in with one experience of all that there is. You are part of all that is, but cannot articulate that as no time and no movement exist in this totality.
With t comes great peace--unbelievable peace of nothing to do nowhere to go. As the totality of Consciousness you are complete and immovable. Yet, you cannot even say, "I am complete and immovable" since no I-sense exists anymore.
30 October 2015
All the published books of Nisargadatta taken together are probably less than 1,200 pages. Three of them by Jean Dunn, are less than 500 pages.
If you notice, published talks are always less than 5 pages, often less than 3 pages.
This means his published talks are all heavily edited, and what you are reading is the editor's POV regarding the talks selected, and what portions of those talks the editor chose to make a point.
Robert's talks covered three years from 1990 to mid 1993, three years. He talked twice a week for maybe 30-45 minutes. The book of his entire talks is over 2,100 pages long.
Nisargadatta talked six or seven times as much, everyday, twice a day. Most of the talks published after I Am That occurred between 1979 and 1981. This would mean a book of all his talks would be over 14,000 pages long excluding the earlier I Am That from his 1974 and 1975 talks. So we are reading less than 10% of what Maharaj spoke of during those three years.
I had a long talk one time with William Powell who himself wrote three books of Maharaj's talks. He asked me why the talks published in other's books, like those of Jean Dunn were so short. Powell said Nisargadatta spoke at great length each day, and authors only captured a small part of what he said.
His two newest books, Beyond Freedom and Nothing is Everything are different. These were random, previously unpublished talks that had not been cherry-picked by previous editors as among his best talks. They have not been carefully edited to reveal the diamonds mixed in with the dross, and you find a very different Nisargadatta here, one that seems terminologically challenged, inconsistent, and very confusing.
The Nisargadatta in Jean's books is polished, powerful, eloquent, in the last two books, almost like someone with not enough sleep and who was very, very careless with examples, stories going nowhere, and highly inconsistent, and, in fact, not much worth a bother.
Now if you want to try to reframe Maharaj's work between lower and higher teachings, we have a problem. Some like the concept of that which lies prior to Consciousness, the Absolute that apprehends Consciousness, as opposed to the teachings found in the last two books in question that focus on the "truth" that everything is Consciousness, a unity of the totality of an undifferentiated oneness, or wholeness, within which the I-sense, one's body as a percept, one's breathing, the entirety of the external world, all merge in oneness without identification of any sort.
Those who try to shoehorn Maharaj into just those two positions almost never talk about where those teachings come from experientially out of Maharaj. He says the teachings come out of him spontaneously, not by thinking or memory. with nary a word about the experiential states he talks about. Without some sort of support, his words have only the power you give them, and I know many, many people, including Ramesh Balsekar who swears Maharaj did not talk about anything existing prior to Consciousness.
There are so many who think they have entirely grasped Nisargadatta, and are very insistent on their POV, and argue I am wrong or presenting a minority of Maharaj's teachings.
Actually, I have a different view. I want to free people from a slavish dependence on what they think Maharaj said, which is solely their own POV based on their spiritual history, their education, their meditations, and their reading of Maharaj, and quit insisting that others don't understand him as deeply as they do.
Be open to all he is saying, not to just your beliefs about the totality of his teachings, and purported levels. Yes, I find him intriguing still, but the primary authority with who I abide, is myself, my own experience, my own knowledge, not Nisargadatta. I am telling you to cling only to your own experience, not to Ramana, Maharaj, or Robert.
If you notice, published talks are always less than 5 pages, often less than 3 pages.
This means his published talks are all heavily edited, and what you are reading is the editor's POV regarding the talks selected, and what portions of those talks the editor chose to make a point.
Robert's talks covered three years from 1990 to mid 1993, three years. He talked twice a week for maybe 30-45 minutes. The book of his entire talks is over 2,100 pages long.
Nisargadatta talked six or seven times as much, everyday, twice a day. Most of the talks published after I Am That occurred between 1979 and 1981. This would mean a book of all his talks would be over 14,000 pages long excluding the earlier I Am That from his 1974 and 1975 talks. So we are reading less than 10% of what Maharaj spoke of during those three years.
I had a long talk one time with William Powell who himself wrote three books of Maharaj's talks. He asked me why the talks published in other's books, like those of Jean Dunn were so short. Powell said Nisargadatta spoke at great length each day, and authors only captured a small part of what he said.
His two newest books, Beyond Freedom and Nothing is Everything are different. These were random, previously unpublished talks that had not been cherry-picked by previous editors as among his best talks. They have not been carefully edited to reveal the diamonds mixed in with the dross, and you find a very different Nisargadatta here, one that seems terminologically challenged, inconsistent, and very confusing.
The Nisargadatta in Jean's books is polished, powerful, eloquent, in the last two books, almost like someone with not enough sleep and who was very, very careless with examples, stories going nowhere, and highly inconsistent, and, in fact, not much worth a bother.
Now if you want to try to reframe Maharaj's work between lower and higher teachings, we have a problem. Some like the concept of that which lies prior to Consciousness, the Absolute that apprehends Consciousness, as opposed to the teachings found in the last two books in question that focus on the "truth" that everything is Consciousness, a unity of the totality of an undifferentiated oneness, or wholeness, within which the I-sense, one's body as a percept, one's breathing, the entirety of the external world, all merge in oneness without identification of any sort.
Those who try to shoehorn Maharaj into just those two positions almost never talk about where those teachings come from experientially out of Maharaj. He says the teachings come out of him spontaneously, not by thinking or memory. with nary a word about the experiential states he talks about. Without some sort of support, his words have only the power you give them, and I know many, many people, including Ramesh Balsekar who swears Maharaj did not talk about anything existing prior to Consciousness.
There are so many who think they have entirely grasped Nisargadatta, and are very insistent on their POV, and argue I am wrong or presenting a minority of Maharaj's teachings.
Actually, I have a different view. I want to free people from a slavish dependence on what they think Maharaj said, which is solely their own POV based on their spiritual history, their education, their meditations, and their reading of Maharaj, and quit insisting that others don't understand him as deeply as they do.
Be open to all he is saying, not to just your beliefs about the totality of his teachings, and purported levels. Yes, I find him intriguing still, but the primary authority with who I abide, is myself, my own experience, my own knowledge, not Nisargadatta. I am telling you to cling only to your own experience, not to Ramana, Maharaj, or Robert.
29 October 2015
Beyond Freedom, Chapter 6 by Nisargadatta, with commentary
Beyond
freedom--Nisargadatta
Chapter 6:
identify with the body, suffer with the body.
Maharaj: While the knowledge is getting established,
you will be in a sleep-like state—even witnessing will not be there. You will feel as if you are asleep, but it is
not sleep. It is called Udmani, which
means “above the level of mind.” The
yogis and sages are in that state above the mind. It is a state that transcends the mind. When I talk, I am talking from the Udmani
state—from nothingness. It is a restful
and relaxed state.
(Comment: he is probably
talking about what Siddharameshwar called the causal body. Above, Nisargadatta states that in this
sleep-like state, even witnessing is not there. So where is the Witness? According to Siddharameshwar, we have to pause
through this sleep like causal state before we realized Turiya, a deeper level
of self, and in fact the origin of the I-Amness according to Siddharameshwar.)
Visitor: is it a state of
deep sleep?
Maharaj: Although it feels
similar to sleep, it is not sleep, because there is awareness or consciousness
deep inside. You will not have this
experience unless you are stabilized in peace and stillness.
Visitor: when I am reading,
sometimes there is an identity, and I see myself reading. Is that differ from the state you compared it
with?
Maharaj: while dreaming, you
observe the dream do not you? At that
time, the whole dream world is in front of you.
You simultaneously watch what is happening while also taking part in the
dream world as one of the characters, one of the actors. But here, you are purely a Witness. You are not acting but are merely a Witness, whereas
there you are also a participant in the dream.
(Comment: Very strangely he
contradicts above, where he says you are in a sleep-like state were even
witnessing is not there.)
Some gurus give
disciplines which only engage the mental aspect that activity. They get their disciples involved in the play
of the mind by referring to the concepts that appeal to them. They concretize their preferred concepts in
the form of activities for their disciples.
Leave all of that alone—there is no question of effort and no question
of elevating yourself to a higher level.
Where will this spark or flame go?
Where will my vital breath or prana go?
There is no question of it going anywhere. You only have to be aware as the Witness and
you will merge with the five elements.
(Comment: What does the “you”
in the above paragraph refer to? What
does it mean that “you” merge with the five elements? What I believe he could mean, is that you as
witness merge into, or disappear into the external world experience.)
If you identify
with the body-mind, you will have to undergo all of it suffering and misery,
while facing its effects. If you
identify with the body, you will suffer with the body. A swimmer, when caught in a whirlpool, has to
go down deep beneath the whirlpool, then swim beyond its diameter before coming
up to the surface. If the swimmer
struggles, he will become exhausted will be finished. Similarly, with this whirlpool of the
body-mind, before you become panicky dive deep down underneath—do not get entangled
with the body mind. Go deep beyond the
thoughts and come into the thoughtless state.
I tell you to ask me questions because I want to find out the depth of
your understanding. The questions are of
the mind, but you are not the mind.
First there is
the desire to “Be.” From this “I am,”
the air came first and the earth last.
Then from the earth came the vegetation and the many forms of life, each
having this “I-Amness.” Because of the
five elements you have the body, and in that body is the “I-Amness.” What you call death is when the vital breath
goes back into the air and the body merges into the five elements. When the vital breath separates from the
body, the “I-Amness disappears.
(Comment: again a bit of confusing discourse. When the body dies, it merges into the five
elements. Later he states that if you
just dwell in the I-Amness, the I am sensation, you will merge into the five
elements. In one case he seems to be
talking about the five elements as objects: fire, water, earth, air, sky. However elsewhere, he appears to be talking
about the five elements as what we observe as the entirety of objective world.)
If you come to
me as a man you may get something for your livelihood, but that will be your
only gift. However, if you come to me
understanding that you are God, that knowledge will manifest. For example, if there is a vacancy in an
office offering a salary of 10,000 Rupees a month, only a suitable man will get
the job as an unqualified man would not be able to last. Similarly, only people who consider
themselves as Brahman can get that knowledge.
Other people, who identify with the body-consciousness, are not fit for
it.
You must have
maturity and you must be worthy of the knowledge that you want to gain. By chanting “I am Brahman” you become subtle
and escape the sense of body-mind. If
you go to others so-called gurus, they will tell you something relating to your
body-minD sense, and tell you that if you follow certain disciplines they might
grant you something. But you will not be able to attain Brahma-hood. You must first accept that you are without a
body-mind and that you are subtle. That
sence must be instilled in you.
I look to this
Brahma state, my beingness (I-Amness), and observe my body—like an incense
stick with a spark on it. That chemical,
or seer, is here in this instance stick and is being burnt by that spark. You must become initiated into the
understanding of what I am expounding to you.
I am telling you about the seed of Brahman. You have to understand that I am planting the
Brahma seed in you. That Brahma seed is
your beingness (I-Amness), which sprouts into manifestation. That Brahma state does not require anything
to eat. It has no hunger, because Brahma
alone embraces everything it all manifestation is Brahma. I am trying to raise you to that state. Do not think you can become a realized-soul only
by listening to a few lectures here. You
have to forget everything and merge with Brahman.
(Comment: again the apparent contradiction. Nisargadatta states he is talking about the
seed of Brahman. He states my beingness,
my I-Amness, is your Brahma seed. He
says that Brahma state does not require anything to eat. It has no hunger, because Brahma alone
embraces everything; all manifestation is Brahma. Yet several places earlier in this book, he
states that I-Amness, beingness is dependent upon the body and is a
manifestation from the food that the body consumes. Yet he goes on to state that everything is
Brahman, everything is you.)
Visitor: what is the
difference between worldly knowledge and knowledge about Brahman?
Maharaj: You will not
realize it less the difference within you goes.
If you think you are the body you cannot gain this knowledge. Who wants to know about Brahman? Find that out first, then change the identity
of that I from the body consciousness to “I am one with Brahman.” Focus on that Brahman instead of on the
body-mind. You must understand yourself
correctly. You think I am a man, and
being a man means being conditioned by body and mind. How can you understand the Brahma state from
this standpoint?
Visitor: does that mean that
Brahma knowledge merely comes from the fact that “I am?”
Maharaj: Who is it that
needs to understand this the most, the knowledge that “I am?” If you listen carefully and imbibe the
principles, you will get rid of this body-minD sense and dwell only in the “I
Amness” (beingness). I am the love of beingness,
and beingness is itself love.
Visitor: the “I-Amness”
precludes the aspect of “I am not,” does not it?
Maharaj: you want to know
the link, the bridge between “I am” and “I am not,” is that it? First of all only hold onto the “I-Amness,”
without any words and just Be. When
somebody hails you, you respond, but before you do there is somebody within you
who becomes aware of the call and will need to answer. That being is the “I am,” and has been there
even before that awareness appeared.
(Comment: here Maharaj
appears to be identifying the “I-Amness” with the ultimate witness, does he
not? He states that the “I am” has been
there even before awareness appeared.)
Visitor: Does the flash of
light come from beingness— “I am?”
Maharaj: the moment the “I-Amness”
explodes or appears, all of space is lit up.
The entire sky is the expression of your beingness. Even though this whole world is an expression
of your beingness, you believe that you are only the body. Your love for the body limit your
horizons. But the moment those walls
come down, you are one with Brahman as the whole universe.
(Comment: once again,
Nisargadatta appears to be saying that everything is consciousness and you are
that. There is no way here he is talking
about anything prior to consciousness.
I-Amness is synonymous with the entire sky, and the whole world is an
expression of your beingness, but you identify only with the body. This love for the body or identification with
the body limit your horizons. In
actuality you are Brahman, or the totality of consciousness manifest as the
whole universe. Everything is consciousness.)
Chapter 5, Beyond Freedom by Nisargadatta
Read this carefully. Most of what he says here seems irrelevant. Look for the key points and key definitions. What does he mean by them?
Beyond
Freedom – Nisargadatta Maharaj
Chapter 6--Everything
is Conceptual
V:
what is the meaning of “I am,” the basic illusion?
M: it means pure, even
though you have to provide food for it.
A Yogi had been studying the art of reviving objects after death. One day he saw a bone in the forest and
decided to practice his art to see how effective it was. He chanted the mantra and suddenly a lion
appeared. He did not, however, create
any food for the lion and so when the line was hungry he ate the Yogi. The moral of the story is that before you
create anything, you have to first create food.
The “I am” is sustained by the food body. That is our body, which is the food for the I
am. Every creature depends upon its food
and the “I am” depends on our body. Will
you remember this?
When you recite
the mantra relating to a particular God, that particular quality and Consciousness
is created within you. Rama, Krishna,
Rama, Shiva are only incarnations of your Consciousness. The same Consciousness that “you are” is also
what these gods, which have been created with various names from your Consciousness,
“are.”
V: there is a statue of Nityananda
in his ashram. Muktananda says that it
cannot is still alive and that he indicates with him. What you say about that?
M: I also have many photographs
of my guru here. Because my guru “is” I
know “I am.” You presume that your guru Nityananda
is a body-mind and that is a mistake. I
do not look upon my guru like that. He
is merged into Consciousness and I see him as that. So long as the body is there, Consciousness
and memory are there. Once the body is
gone, the Consciousness is unaware of anything.
When the oil is there, the flame keeps burning by using the oil, but no
oil is used after the flame is gone.
Whatever is burnt is burnt and whatever remains, remains. When the child is born, growth takes
place. The “I am is there throughout his
or her life even if a person lives for 100 years, but the “I am” disappears
when the body is gone. This is called
death.
I would like to
know your opinion about what I have told you.
Should I tell you all of this or should I keep quiet? Somebody came this morning who was always
quoting his guru, so I sent him back to his guru. By listening to me seriously, people could
lose all hope and ambition. Because they
want to take action in the world, hope should be there for them. If they feel that they are not gaining
anything here, they should go away. Why
should I talk to these people who want to live and achieve something? Nityananda hardly ever talkED, but his
disciple Muktananda goes on talking and he has created an empire. Chinmayananda has done the same thing although
now he says he wants to stop talking and go away to the Himalayas. All my expounding will only lead people to a
state of inaction, so why should I talk?
Anyway, whatever you have heard here can never be erased and will have
its effect.
V: I want to develop my
determination to be in the “I am.”
M: did you have any Consciousness
when you did not have your body? You may
have as much faith as you want, but even that will be gone when the body is no
more, as your Consciousness will not be there.
Where are you without your Consciousness? There is nothing for you to do. Everything just comes into being and
happens. Why are you concerned with what
to do? You deal with the world only
after having Consciousness, when the “I am” is there. Once it is gone, everything ends. It is all spontaneous.
Every nation has
had different rulers ruling the country at different times, who are now dead
and gone. Do they come back and ask how
the country is being ruled now? Does
Christ come back and ask why would you go to India to listen to all of this
trash? Our Hindu deities are supposed to
be very powerful, but did they do anything when Muslim and Christian invaders
came to rule over India? We all had
parents. Where are they once they have
died? You just say they have gone home
to God, but are they here now? Do they
common interfere in our daily lives? We
go on looking for a guru to guide us.
What did Ramakrishna say to Viv Yogananda? He just said, “take the right mango and enjoy
it. Do not keep questioning where the
mango is come from, etc.”
The worry about
death does not affect me at all. Why are
you worried about reincarnation? Just
experience whatever is happening to you now.
I was asked why I previously told some people that many births are needed
before realization can happen. I have to
tell such stories the ignorant people.
When a person describes a memory of his last birth, I asked him whether
he remembers who his parents were, animals are human beings? You are only talking about your dream. At present you can say who your parents are,
but do you know who they were during your last birth? If you cannot remember anything, just say it
is all over and finished. It is just a
dream; forget about it.
What others say
about how rebirth is determined by the thoughts you have when you are dying is
mere hearsay. What I am telling you
about the merging of the “I am” with the source is the real thing. This world has existed for millions of
years. Male and female, Purusha and
Prakriti, have created so many dynasties.
For which background have you come to this present form? Did you come from your father’s father or
your mother’s father? From the time of
the first couple ever created, which birth is this? Can you go back and find out? Why carry that tension around with you when
you cannot know or remember any of it?
Do not bother about it.
As you
progress and get established in beingness, you will understand that you are
above the dreaming and waking states, as those only pertain to your “I-Amness.” We are only able to observe because of this “I-Amness.” When the “I-Amness” is not there, the tool
required to observe is also not there.
Once there is
self-realization, the whole riddle is solved.
What Krishna preaches in the Gita is correct. What I am saying is of no profit or
loss. Even a blind person to describe a
huge well? How does he know? It is just a way of expressing his thoughts.
As life flows,
go on doing what has to be done. However
much you run around, without God’s will there is nothing. Whether it is your dreams or your visions,
whatever you see is nothing but God’s appearance. It is the source, or Consciousness, which is appearing
in so many forms. Everything is
conceptual.
28 October 2015
Beyond Freedom, Chapter 1, by Nisargadatta
The following
is the first chapter of Nisargadatta’s latest published book Beyond Freedom
which are previously unpublished transcripts from 1979 to 1981.
Read this several times.
Read this several times.
What is he
talking about? Think carefully before
you answer. Then read it again.
There is nothing here that speaks to Prior to Consciousness. What he speaks of is that Consciousness is everything, even the I Am, your body, all others, houses, objects, all disappear into Universal Consciousness, the totality of Consciousness without any identification or I, me, the personal, male or female. All become submerged in the experience of the simultaneous totality of experience without a witness, because a witness requires a witnessed, and that is separation.
Only things, objects, within Consciousness, separated out by concepts and identification, have an “apparent” separate existence. Without thinking and without identification, the is just one, unmoving, unaging, not me, or not, not me, experience.
There is nothing here that speaks to Prior to Consciousness. What he speaks of is that Consciousness is everything, even the I Am, your body, all others, houses, objects, all disappear into Universal Consciousness, the totality of Consciousness without any identification or I, me, the personal, male or female. All become submerged in the experience of the simultaneous totality of experience without a witness, because a witness requires a witnessed, and that is separation.
Only things, objects, within Consciousness, separated out by concepts and identification, have an “apparent” separate existence. Without thinking and without identification, the is just one, unmoving, unaging, not me, or not, not me, experience.
Beyond Freedom -- Nisargadatta
Chapter 1: What is that which you are searching for?
Nisargadatta:
there is no sense of personality at all when you become the Ishwara principal. Have no concern about losing your personality
by listening to this knowledge, as personality has always been illusory. In order to even understand me the sense of
personality must be absent. You are the
knowledge and you do not have any shape or form whatsoever. You are impersonal. You are comprehensive. You are the Unmanifest, the universal Consciousness. What would happen if you went in search of
that Consciousness? The seeker would
disappear in the search, because the “I Amness” is all there is.
Visitor
question: I have a question here.
Nisargadatta:
Do not focus on your question. Focus on
what I am saying. Do not say anything,
just listen.
Visitor: You
speak very harshly… It hurts me.
N: Just
leave that. Do not even look in that
direction, just focus on what I am telling you.
V: I do not
know who I am, that is my reality.
M: As long
as you are coming here, your search is not over. You are here because your search has not
ended. Try to find out why. What is it that you are searching for? There is nothing there, only the process of
seeking.
You might be anybody in this world, even Brahma or Vishnu, but you do not
have the power to do anything. Your life
is your existence. It is made up of the
five elements and it is dependent only on these five elements.
Consciousness is an orphan without parents or source. It has no need of anyone. What you understand of the objective world is
all duality. Your objective world is
composed of relationships. You have to
depend all the time of someone else, friend, husband, wife, etc. In the objective world there is only
dependence, where is in your true state there is always independence. Existence without identity, which is your
true nature, is independent.
The time is 11:30 at present, it cannot be 12 now. It will be 12 half an hour later. We do not have any control over it; the time
has to pass. That means you are always
dependent on something. You cannot live
independently of time, space, or the elements.
Everyone is helpless. Only Consciousness
is independent.
The state of bliss or joy is Poornabrahman or Nirvana. One who does not need anybody for
entertainment is niranjan. The
ever-present is nitya. That state never
changes at all. As long as you are
conscious of your body and its needs, you cannot be totally independent. Consciousness does not need light and it does
not need darkness. It does not need
rest. It is the Truth and there is no
change in it.
When I was young, I had the power to squeeze a piece of metal and pull it
back into shape. Now I am old require
help from somebody move around. Where
has the power gone? It is not remain
with me at all.
All of these things in the objective world are inseparable from their
attributes. An attribute by its very
nature depends upon something. That
knowledge, “I am,” is also an attribute.
Therefore the “I-Amness,” one way or another, also has depend on
something.
V: What is
the concept of Maya (illusion)?
N: The
concept of Maya comes from the “I-Amness.”
The existence of my and the world around you only arises when you are
conscious of yourself. This is a state
of darkness and ignorance, which is far from that of knowledge. Maya does not exist within the state of
knowledge.
V: What is
Atma?
M: Atma Prem
is also due to the “I Amness.” If you
start with Atma Prem, it can distract you and all you will see is Maya, which
is a state of ignorance. If you reach a
state of knowledge, then even this Atma Prem will be nonexistent. The word my I has a different meaning here. What you are calling love is itself Maya. Love is playing many roles. All these houses, etc. have been created out
of Maya. Love or Maya has set up the
whole of Bombay. Love is taking many
shapes: mula-maya has created Vishnu and Shankara, but what was there before
that? My is the culprit. Man has entangled himself in this concept and
illusion of love, and because of it, gets trapped in the cycle of life and
death. The feeling of love is a great
mistake if one gets entangled in it.
There is love for so many things.
The minute the illusion is created, the entanglement begins. By imagining male and female, you get
entangled in that illusion.
“You are Paramatman.” This is what
my guru told me he was going into Mahasamadhi.
His words had so much force that they were implanted and embedded in me,
and I became that. There was so much
power and force behind his utterances that whatever he said came true.
V: Were you
constantly doing the sacred mantra, which are guru had given you?
M: I was not
doing it. I was constantly listening to
it. The power of the mantra depends upon
the intensity of the faith you have.
V: Is there
any cause for this faith?
M: Yes,
there is a primary cause, the big cause, which is the knowledge “I am.” This is the cause behind the faith. The “awareness of my being” happen
automatically. It just happens. The sprouting of this knowledge “I am” is prior
to the formation of the five elements.
The ultimate Consciousness, the Absolute, is not even aware of itself or
of any happening. Consciousness was one,
but two people of different sexes were created in the love between them created
this world. This sound in this awareness
are not one, but two. Consciousness is
just a speck, and dissolution has come out of it.
Love is divided into two sexes and the world has grown out of this, but
as soon as realization happens the separation disappears. When you have the realization that “you are,
that all is the play of Shiva Shakti, then he will know that this is all an
illusion, and you will be free of grief as well as joy. Self-realization is Shivadatta. The moment you reach that stage you will not
have these feelings of happiness, sorrow and suffering. When you reach the state of self-knowledge,
there will be peace and quiet. Such
knowledge of the self is known as Shivadatta.
If you realize that this is all an illusion, then there is no need for
self-realization.
V: Is there
no love with self-realization?
M: It is
beyond that. Love is a worldly
state. The very feeling of
self-realization will not arrive until you understand what you are. If you understand the answer then this
question about self-realization will not arise.
Ananda, the pleasure of bliss of Consciousness, will arise in you like
an atomic explosion, and he will will see how the whole wide world is a
manifestation of that. Chinmayananda
means “speck of bliss.” Swami means the
spontaneous awareness of my being.
Through the “I-Amness,” swami Chinmayananda has created a big ashram in
as many people visit. All the gods are
coming and going in this Consciousness.
Merely the fact that “you are” is swami, which is pure honey, the proof
of the Absolute. It is always with you and
is calm all by itself spontaneously, without asking. That is swami.
V: And all
the other things, what is that all about?
M: Why worry
about that? Let it be there. Read about the “I-Amness” and forget about
the rest. What the swami’s are doing or
what they say is immaterial. If you have
come to the source, why do you want to go back again to the banks of the river?
I am extremely busy right now, with medical reports, mandated gardening to prevent homeowner association fines, sick cats that need daily visits to vets, a renter moving out of my rental house, a visitor who wants to spend time with me, etc., etc.
But I feel driven to start a Nisargadatta discussion using his newest book, Beyond Freedom. No need to buy it. I will dictate and post each short chapter separately.
But I feel driven to start a Nisargadatta discussion using his newest book, Beyond Freedom. No need to buy it. I will dictate and post each short chapter separately.
26 October 2015
The Endless Path
THE ENDLESS PATH
One commentor left a snide remark on one of my posts saying Nisargadatta was easy to understand as he taught on the same subject for decades.
WRONG!
Nisargadatta’s teachings changed dramatically over the years and in the last two years of his life, suggested people not read ‘I Am That’ because those were Kindergarten level teachings compared to how he was teaching in 1980.
His first book that I know of, ‘Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization’ speaks of internal energies, surrender, Krishna Consciousness, chanting, and realization of what I call the Manifest Self.
‘I Am That’ is very different, and his last three years of talks were even more different with his de-emphasis on Consciousness, the I Am sensation, transitioning to an exclusive emphasis on the Absolute.
His teachings changed throughout his life, from his initial awakening in 1936 to near his death in 1982, just as my teachings have changed over the past 20 years.
The problem with Maharaj’s teachings is context. When is he teaching Advaita Vedanta, and when is he using terms and concepts from other schools as his experience reveals new aspects of the Consciousness/Witness transition.
His teacher, Siddharameshwar wrote a very clear 81 page exposition of his Nath school teachings which led to Maharaj’s awakening. In 1961 Nisargadatta published that exposition along with his notes from 131 of his teacher’s talks, along with his short introduction on how it is necessary to trust his guru’s teachings.
Many, many people have told me that Nisargadatta is easy to understand, but that just tells me they have not understood his teachings from their gut, but rather as a mental construct, a philosophy. If they had understood him from their gut, they already would have been great jnanis with their own students.
If a teaching comes too easily to you, you probably have not earned it. You have not experienced their truth from the inside, as experience, whether of the Subtle Body, Causal Body, Turiya, or the Witness state.
Seung Sahn Soen Sah and Papaji all had many, many students that claimed to be “awakened,” or enlightened, or had "Inka," but in my witnessing of their talks and behaviors, I did not feel that to be the case.
My own experience is that the number of new spiritual experiences I have had seem to be increasing in number and depth the older I get.
As I have slowed down externally, I have spent more and more time inside my Self, experiencing circulating energies, the Subtle Body, my sense of presence, the I Am sensation which seems to have a life of its own, the disappearance of the identification principle, leading to the discovery of the truth that consciousness is everything, and being the witness and feeling untouched by consciousness itself at all. But I have never done this with a system in mind, whether Kashmir Shaivism or Advaita, because I don't trust concepts at all, only my direct experience.
Thus I have experienced that the important thing in developing spiritual maturity is a persistent inversion of awareness exploring my inner world.
What then helps is reading works by spiritual giants such as Muktananda, Nisargadatta, Ramana, Robert, Ramakrishna, Shankara, etc., to see if there is something I have missed. There always is.
This is why I found Shankarananda’s book so helpful as it placed the teachings of many ancient Hindu schools together in a way to provide a context for understanding the experiences of many spiritual giants over the breadth of history.
Ramana and Nisargadatta constantly throw out Sanskrit terms which have no easy translation into English, and Nisargadatta does so in a very spontaneous and “sloppy” way without providing a context.
Very strangely, the part he is most elusive about is the Witness, the Knower, versus the I Am. For him there is a duality here between the Knower, the Witness, and the witnessed I Am, which itself, for him, is a secondary witness.
Almost all the time he claims that the Witness is unknowable, and unknowable because it is the knower, the subject, not an object, which, of course, introduces yet another duality. When you subjectively “fall backwards” into the witness, you fall and fall, until suddenly you “turn around” and are experiencing the world from a position of nothingness, having no head, no body, no I. You have come to the position of the witness and are the witness.
Yet Maharaj also speaks of the fundamental ignorance state which Robert calls “the gap,” (of no I-awareness) occurring after awakening and before we become self-aware. The awareness state without being self-aware, or aware that what is being experienced is later seen to be external to you after the I-sensation is experienced, and another duality created, and never explicitly differentiates this from his "prior to Consciousness" concept.
Then he also says while speaking to students that he is established in the witness state even while speaking, denying he has anything to do with Consciousness. To me, this is another duality, denying his own human experience, the I Am sensation, as well as the gap state.
At other times, when asked, he describes the experience of living from the Absolute state as resting underneath the shade of a great tree, where the shade has a bluish color, which appears a place of experience without the I Am, or perhaps the "gap" state.
So for him, the Absolute is both experiential and non-experiential, and his relationship between the “gap” of fundamental ignorance, the I Am, or Manifest Self, the Witness as knower, and the experience of being totally beyond and separate from consciousness is never made clear.
What is clear though, and the reason Robert Adams and others kept reading spiritual books their entire life, is the need to have the feelowship, the companionship of great beings who constantly talk about their self-experiences of God, Self, and the world both as confirmation of one’s own experience, but also as pointers to experiences and understanding not yet held.
When we read the Avadhut Gita, the Nisargadatta Gita, the Ribhu Gita, Robert’s talks, the New Testament Bible, we are receiving the Darshan of great spiritual companions that confirm our divine nature as well as our human roots, and often providing pointers to experiences not yet had and assimilated.
One commentor left a snide remark on one of my posts saying Nisargadatta was easy to understand as he taught on the same subject for decades.
WRONG!
Nisargadatta’s teachings changed dramatically over the years and in the last two years of his life, suggested people not read ‘I Am That’ because those were Kindergarten level teachings compared to how he was teaching in 1980.
His first book that I know of, ‘Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization’ speaks of internal energies, surrender, Krishna Consciousness, chanting, and realization of what I call the Manifest Self.
‘I Am That’ is very different, and his last three years of talks were even more different with his de-emphasis on Consciousness, the I Am sensation, transitioning to an exclusive emphasis on the Absolute.
His teachings changed throughout his life, from his initial awakening in 1936 to near his death in 1982, just as my teachings have changed over the past 20 years.
The problem with Maharaj’s teachings is context. When is he teaching Advaita Vedanta, and when is he using terms and concepts from other schools as his experience reveals new aspects of the Consciousness/Witness transition.
His teacher, Siddharameshwar wrote a very clear 81 page exposition of his Nath school teachings which led to Maharaj’s awakening. In 1961 Nisargadatta published that exposition along with his notes from 131 of his teacher’s talks, along with his short introduction on how it is necessary to trust his guru’s teachings.
Many, many people have told me that Nisargadatta is easy to understand, but that just tells me they have not understood his teachings from their gut, but rather as a mental construct, a philosophy. If they had understood him from their gut, they already would have been great jnanis with their own students.
If a teaching comes too easily to you, you probably have not earned it. You have not experienced their truth from the inside, as experience, whether of the Subtle Body, Causal Body, Turiya, or the Witness state.
Seung Sahn Soen Sah and Papaji all had many, many students that claimed to be “awakened,” or enlightened, or had "Inka," but in my witnessing of their talks and behaviors, I did not feel that to be the case.
My own experience is that the number of new spiritual experiences I have had seem to be increasing in number and depth the older I get.
As I have slowed down externally, I have spent more and more time inside my Self, experiencing circulating energies, the Subtle Body, my sense of presence, the I Am sensation which seems to have a life of its own, the disappearance of the identification principle, leading to the discovery of the truth that consciousness is everything, and being the witness and feeling untouched by consciousness itself at all. But I have never done this with a system in mind, whether Kashmir Shaivism or Advaita, because I don't trust concepts at all, only my direct experience.
Thus I have experienced that the important thing in developing spiritual maturity is a persistent inversion of awareness exploring my inner world.
What then helps is reading works by spiritual giants such as Muktananda, Nisargadatta, Ramana, Robert, Ramakrishna, Shankara, etc., to see if there is something I have missed. There always is.
This is why I found Shankarananda’s book so helpful as it placed the teachings of many ancient Hindu schools together in a way to provide a context for understanding the experiences of many spiritual giants over the breadth of history.
Ramana and Nisargadatta constantly throw out Sanskrit terms which have no easy translation into English, and Nisargadatta does so in a very spontaneous and “sloppy” way without providing a context.
Very strangely, the part he is most elusive about is the Witness, the Knower, versus the I Am. For him there is a duality here between the Knower, the Witness, and the witnessed I Am, which itself, for him, is a secondary witness.
Almost all the time he claims that the Witness is unknowable, and unknowable because it is the knower, the subject, not an object, which, of course, introduces yet another duality. When you subjectively “fall backwards” into the witness, you fall and fall, until suddenly you “turn around” and are experiencing the world from a position of nothingness, having no head, no body, no I. You have come to the position of the witness and are the witness.
Yet Maharaj also speaks of the fundamental ignorance state which Robert calls “the gap,” (of no I-awareness) occurring after awakening and before we become self-aware. The awareness state without being self-aware, or aware that what is being experienced is later seen to be external to you after the I-sensation is experienced, and another duality created, and never explicitly differentiates this from his "prior to Consciousness" concept.
Then he also says while speaking to students that he is established in the witness state even while speaking, denying he has anything to do with Consciousness. To me, this is another duality, denying his own human experience, the I Am sensation, as well as the gap state.
At other times, when asked, he describes the experience of living from the Absolute state as resting underneath the shade of a great tree, where the shade has a bluish color, which appears a place of experience without the I Am, or perhaps the "gap" state.
So for him, the Absolute is both experiential and non-experiential, and his relationship between the “gap” of fundamental ignorance, the I Am, or Manifest Self, the Witness as knower, and the experience of being totally beyond and separate from consciousness is never made clear.
What is clear though, and the reason Robert Adams and others kept reading spiritual books their entire life, is the need to have the feelowship, the companionship of great beings who constantly talk about their self-experiences of God, Self, and the world both as confirmation of one’s own experience, but also as pointers to experiences and understanding not yet held.
When we read the Avadhut Gita, the Nisargadatta Gita, the Ribhu Gita, Robert’s talks, the New Testament Bible, we are receiving the Darshan of great spiritual companions that confirm our divine nature as well as our human roots, and often providing pointers to experiences not yet had and assimilated.
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24 October 2015
I
sit writing this testimony in utter bliss and joy. From head to toe I am washed
by bliss with the light of Consciousness burning brightly. I have just finished
Swami Shakarananda’s book Consciousness is Everything available at Amazon.
I have always hated eastern philosophy even from my early,
pre-Zen days exploring Buddhist Sutras and major schools and how they critiqued
each other. Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita Vedanta were just too complex and
boring to me in comparison to finding all that I wanted to read in reading me, my
Self, the I Am, the Void, the presence, the light of Consciousness. When I read
philosophical texts my mind began to pop up and try to hold together the myriad
of concepts and states found within those books, including especially,
Nisargadatta Maharaj.
Maharaj’s
books are filled with what Shankarananda calls G or Guru statements that shock
you, but Nisargadatta’s talks are so chaotic, unstructured, and immediate, it
is very difficult to find the underlying structure of his teachings. I
persisted because I was watching a brilliant lightning storm of wisdom from
this character, but never was able to catch him. Until now.
Swamiji’s
book provides the overall structure that includes explaining all the concepts
found in Nisargadatta, Ramana, and Robert Adams within a comprehensive
overview, that in the largest sense explains all Hindu and Buddhist views
within a living expression of otherwise lifeless scholastic philosophy.
There
is so much light and love in this book; it is an expression of sheer joy in the
exposition of our manifest and transcendent nature.
I
would never have suspected such a book coming out of Swamiji. When I knew him
from 1979 to whenever he left for Australia, when it came to teachings he was
utterly silent. When it came to a description of his own attainment and states,
e was utterly silent. Yet I felt the Shakti radiating from him, and in this
book see a fruition of a level of alive teaching that is quite extraordinary.
This
book may have the ostensible subject matter of Kashmir Shaivism, but it is
really about Shankarananda, who really knows who he is. He has lived these
teachings and evolved in them. Such a teacher is rare, as rare as this book,
one I could never wrote because I hate scholastic detail and myriads of
concepts and methods.
I
wish to thank my spiritual brother Swami Shankarananda for his presence in this
world and his manifestation through this book.
22 October 2015
ONCE AGAIN I AM EXPLODING IN BLISS. A CONSTANT STREAM OF ENERGY AND LIGHT FLOWS FROM MY GUT THROUGH MY HEART AND UPWARD AND OUTWARD INTO THE WORLD. IT MOVES AS A SLOW BUT VERY BROAD RIVER OF PURE CONSCIOUSNESS, LIGHT, LIGHT, LIGHT!
The finding of Kashmir Shaivism opened me to a richer understanding of Nisargadatta, Robert, and Ramana. In KS, the Witness is Shiva, unmoving, still, observing, surrounded by the Manifest, the entirety of the Manifest Self and world, and is called Shakti. They are One, not two, just as I used to say that the Unmanifest and Manifest Selves were one.
After living in Shakti for many years, Nisargadatta decided to just live in Shiva and rejected the rest of Consciousness. Shiva is prior to Consciounsess only in the sense of being the ultimate witness aspect of Consciousness.
Shakti is exploding in me now, flowing, moving, enlivening, filling me with bliss and I am bliss itself.
Kashmir Shaivism puts Nisargadatta's disjointed aphorisms into a complete context that opened something up in me. A month ago I was in complete stillness as the totality of Consciousness, still, complete, self-sufficient, and incredibly peaceful.
Today I am exploding in bliss-energy, shouting in great joy my existence,
When I escaped academia during the third year of an
Economics Ph.D. program at Wayne State University in 1968, I never look
backwards. I hated all approaches based
on sutras, words, concepts, ontology, and adapted spiritual approaches with
minimal teachings, such as the transmission outside of scripture approach of
Zen, and then the very simple teachings of Robert, Ramana, and Nisargadatta,
where you just find the I-Thought and follow it with your attention, or to find
the I-sensation and evermore fixate there.
I remember attending to several classes on various scriptures of Kashmir Shaivism at the Santa Monica Siddha Yoga ashram on Broadway around 1980 or 1981, and felt so put off by the verbal approach.
I read Jan Essman’s books with great difficulty, also of a Shaivite bent, I don't remember if he considered himself a Kashmir Shaivite, because they were so scholarly and obsessed with Shaivite concepts and terminology versus other schools.
I remember attending to several classes on various scriptures of Kashmir Shaivism at the Santa Monica Siddha Yoga ashram on Broadway around 1980 or 1981, and felt so put off by the verbal approach.
I read Jan Essman’s books with great difficulty, also of a Shaivite bent, I don't remember if he considered himself a Kashmir Shaivite, because they were so scholarly and obsessed with Shaivite concepts and terminology versus other schools.
Since the early 80s, I have never been interested in
anything but understanding the I Am directly, Consciousness, the Void, the light of
Consciousness pervading all, and later, Self-Realization both of the Unmanifest
and of the Manifest Self.
I was very popular as a teacher when I only reflected Robert’s teachings, but once I realized God within me, with her constant presence within my heart, Her energy, her restless movements, the constant bliss states, flowing energies and flow of circulating light within, my expanding sense of presence, and far increased clarity of the entirety of the spiritual spectrum, students just began to slip or even run away. What I was teaching now was outside of the spectrum and umbrella of Robert, Ramana’s or Nisargadatta’s simplistic teachings of transcendence.
Students told me they could not understand what I was teaching anymore, or they refused to go where I was leading because of my maturing vision.
I was very popular as a teacher when I only reflected Robert’s teachings, but once I realized God within me, with her constant presence within my heart, Her energy, her restless movements, the constant bliss states, flowing energies and flow of circulating light within, my expanding sense of presence, and far increased clarity of the entirety of the spiritual spectrum, students just began to slip or even run away. What I was teaching now was outside of the spectrum and umbrella of Robert, Ramana’s or Nisargadatta’s simplistic teachings of transcendence.
Students told me they could not understand what I was teaching anymore, or they refused to go where I was leading because of my maturing vision.
Had Shankarananda spoke in any academic way when I first knew him in
1979, I would not have stayed around. I was anti-scholastic hten, even more
than now. However, now, 35 years later I
have experienced so much, so many states, experiences, teachings that fall
outside of Advaita, that although Nisargadatta and Ramana stand at the center
of my guru-honoring, my present experience of Kashmir Shaivism through the very
personal and joyous expression of my old friend, has allowed me to cast my
current understanding and experiences in a new light of expansive
spirituality, of great width, and life-affirming spirituality so very different
from Robert’s and Nisargadatta’s disconfirmation of the human condition.
In my experience, the true Advaita Vedantists were a sour
bunch, denying the personal, relationships, even Consciousness itself by
Nisargadatta. And, they tended to be
inactive, like Ramana, withdrawn, like Lahksmanan, and all took Ramana’s
sayings as the only truth.
On the other hand, Muktananda and Shankarananda, as well as Swami Chetanananda, throw the doors open and allow everyone into their tent, allowing them access to a level of teachings within that big tent that they can adopt as their own. Shankarananda on a personal level really never offered any teachings 35-40 years ago, and because of that, I only felt his warmth and the warmth of the various Siddha ashrams, which of course disappeared once Chidvilasananda took over and she turned it into a personal cult.
Shankarananda told me back then that Muktananda told him never to offer teachings unless a student were nearly beating you up for them. I understand this approach now. If the teachings are hard to come by, people can’t fault you; if you are open about teachings, they will conflict with those students already have, which will drive many away.
On the other hand, Muktananda and Shankarananda, as well as Swami Chetanananda, throw the doors open and allow everyone into their tent, allowing them access to a level of teachings within that big tent that they can adopt as their own. Shankarananda on a personal level really never offered any teachings 35-40 years ago, and because of that, I only felt his warmth and the warmth of the various Siddha ashrams, which of course disappeared once Chidvilasananda took over and she turned it into a personal cult.
Shankarananda told me back then that Muktananda told him never to offer teachings unless a student were nearly beating you up for them. I understand this approach now. If the teachings are hard to come by, people can’t fault you; if you are open about teachings, they will conflict with those students already have, which will drive many away.
This has been my
experience.
Most students need very simple teachings, easy to
understand, very little confrontations about their wrong beliefs, like some who
hold that a “true teacher” does not smoke, eat meat, swear, have sex, or lose
their temper. Teachers are thus placed
in strait jackets or the expectations of naïve students who are always judging
based on what they think you should be and how “an enlightened being” should
act.
The meditations and exercises that Shankarananda offers in his book are precisely those I have also taught over the years including his Shiva Process, which I do more directly by plunging into negative thoughts and emotions, abiding there, accepting them, even loving them, absorbing them and their energies into me. I am sure Shankarananda would accept this too as a method as the result is the same, but I don’t use the idea that I am breaking up a contraction or sticking point. I accept them as a form of Consciousnes that need sto be explored and loved.
I am very proud of my old friend for his genius as a teacher. I could never have written such an academic book, nor expressed it with such love.
One more thing, all the talk has been about swamiji. Let me make quite clear the Ma Devi has always been part of what their ashrams so sweet. Her presence during chanting and on the harmonium was transfixitive.
21 October 2015
More on my way versus Kashmir Shaivism, but the joy I feel reading about it.
Regarding Shankarananda’s book, some people have contacted
me saying it is too wordy, too many concepts, too many distinctions, and a
constant emphasis of avoiding negative thoughts and emotions.
I agree totally with this criticism. First of all, I have very little to do with the mind at all. It does not get in my way or between me and the ‘external world’. I do not avoid thoughts at all; they come and visit very briefly and leave because I more or less have nothing to do with them.
The same with emotions. Emotions come and go, and I don’t much entertain them, positive or negative. But an emphasis on avoiding “impure” thoughts or emotions just escapes me. There is a great amount of energy and bliss encased within ALL strong emotions from anger, love, jealousy, fear, to negative moods such as depression, anxiety, euthymia, and elation. With and below each is a river of bliss, and within that bliss, is pure Consciousness and light. This has been my own experience. By diving deep into depression, jealousy, fear, humiliation, one encounters energy and bliss.
I agree totally with this criticism. First of all, I have very little to do with the mind at all. It does not get in my way or between me and the ‘external world’. I do not avoid thoughts at all; they come and visit very briefly and leave because I more or less have nothing to do with them.
The same with emotions. Emotions come and go, and I don’t much entertain them, positive or negative. But an emphasis on avoiding “impure” thoughts or emotions just escapes me. There is a great amount of energy and bliss encased within ALL strong emotions from anger, love, jealousy, fear, to negative moods such as depression, anxiety, euthymia, and elation. With and below each is a river of bliss, and within that bliss, is pure Consciousness and light. This has been my own experience. By diving deep into depression, jealousy, fear, humiliation, one encounters energy and bliss.
One learns how to “eat” emotions, abide in them, accept
them, even love them. Love your
depression, lust, jealousy, fear. Play
with those feelings, own them, absorb them.
When you do they leave an aftertaate of bliss and energy, which
eventually blows away leaving peace, rest, and alive Consciousness.
The same with great love. Own it, dive into it. Accept it, brimng it into your inner heart of
identification however short a period of time and you become love itself, which
transforms into visions and states of divine intoxication.
As to all the myriad concepts found in Kashmir Shaivism, it
is just a joy to dwell for a while in a completely different take on the same
subject matter, especially given Shankarananda’s light, joyful touch.
I am grasping this different perspective and can better grasp the Tantric approach which I discovered for myself in isolation the lone rebel in a sea of Advaita teachers and students always complaining about my many deviations from their concepts of the teachings of Robert, Ramana, or Nisargadatta, who so many worship as the embodiments of absolute truth and spirituality.
I am grasping this different perspective and can better grasp the Tantric approach which I discovered for myself in isolation the lone rebel in a sea of Advaita teachers and students always complaining about my many deviations from their concepts of the teachings of Robert, Ramana, or Nisargadatta, who so many worship as the embodiments of absolute truth and spirituality.
But all the distinction, concepts, and levels in Swamiji’s
book? In a month I will not remember
much other than “Everything is Consciousness” and how that is expressed in so
many ways in that book.
The strange thing is I entirely dwelled in that state a few weeks ago for four or five days after Michael came and took over my physical chores, and two months before reading Everything is Consciousness, and being shot down by Vedantists that thought I was being blasphemous. Doing nothing, with no movement of mind or body, the I Am sensation of my union with the divine disappeared and all that there was. Was Consciousness. All had dissolved into Consciousness. There was no inside or outside, no divine versus personal, no I Am, no God within or world without, no joy, no sorrow, just infinite immersion in absolute peace of being at rest in Consciousness as Consciousness.
However, more than anything, I felt the joy in the way this book was written, even more than Shaivism’s broad sweep and poetic expression.
The strange thing is I entirely dwelled in that state a few weeks ago for four or five days after Michael came and took over my physical chores, and two months before reading Everything is Consciousness, and being shot down by Vedantists that thought I was being blasphemous. Doing nothing, with no movement of mind or body, the I Am sensation of my union with the divine disappeared and all that there was. Was Consciousness. All had dissolved into Consciousness. There was no inside or outside, no divine versus personal, no I Am, no God within or world without, no joy, no sorrow, just infinite immersion in absolute peace of being at rest in Consciousness as Consciousness.
However, more than anything, I felt the joy in the way this book was written, even more than Shaivism’s broad sweep and poetic expression.
As an undergraduate, I majored in western philosophy, and
was most interested in ontology (the structures of the existing), and epistemology
(How do we know about those structures).
My favorite philosophers were Kant and Hume on the ontological end and
Carnap, Quine, and Wittgenstein as to the nature of language, logic, and the
mind.
However, sometime during my sophomore or junior year I knew without a shadow of doubt that there was no ultimate truth to be found there and left philosophy to study subjects closer to everyday life—economics. But after three years of advanced study of macro economics, market theory, and money and banking, I saw again that theory was just a map, not the terrain itself, and most all the maps did more to confuse than make clear.
However, sometime during my sophomore or junior year I knew without a shadow of doubt that there was no ultimate truth to be found there and left philosophy to study subjects closer to everyday life—economics. But after three years of advanced study of macro economics, market theory, and money and banking, I saw again that theory was just a map, not the terrain itself, and most all the maps did more to confuse than make clear.
I found Eastern philosophy just as boring and off the point
as Western philosophy, lost in concepts about the nature of reality and
God. Boring, boring, and so far from my
direct experience such that I got into Zen, a transmission of Buddha’s
enlightenment outside of the scriptures, except maybe for the Heart Sutra,
Diamond Sutra, and the Lankanavatara Sutra, none of which meant anything to me
then.
Unfortunately, not only did Zen toss out verbal and written
teachings, it also got rid of Subtle Body energies, emotions, and the
personal. It is very one-sided and
impersonal, even though quite brilliant and clear.
I remember taking Swami Shankarananda to see Seung Sahn Soen Sa some time after 1980, and noting how put off he was by Zen’s formality and lack of warmth.
I remember taking Swami Shankarananda to see Seung Sahn Soen Sa some time after 1980, and noting how put off he was by Zen’s formality and lack of warmth.
Later I encountered Nisargadatta through Ramesh Balsekar,
and then spent some weeks with Balsekar himself and found Nisargadatta’s
Advaita as expounded by Ramesh extremely fascinating. Indeed, one of my Zen Master’s, Song Ryong
Hearn, also attended a few of Ramesh’s talks, turned to me during a break, and
said that Ramesh’s exposition was as close as one can come to Zen’s truth in
words.
Then I found Robert Adams, the history of which I have
written about many, many times over the last 15 years.
Robert’s single teaching was that all that there is, is
Consciousness, although at times, saying Consciousness itself was illusory. You, as a human, do not exist. The world is illusion, ignore it. Follow the I-thought to its root, and through
these teachings, had basic awakening to unbounded consciousness, the
disappearance of all divisions within awareness and rest in the totality of
Consciousness.
Since then I have had a very hard time reading, as I always
had my own awareness to read by going within, observing my own awareness and
the objects within Consciousness, such as my body experienced from inside, my
emotions, my desires, thoughts, and imagination.
Nisargadatta’s world view is basically yogic, speaking of
the four bodies, and beyond that, the Absolute, which he called
Parabrahman. He is terrible as a teacher
of the fundamental Advaita he teaches because he speaks in aphorisms as opposed
toa linear description. His expositions always lead to shutting down of the
mind in stunned silence creating mindless states in his listeners, much like a
Zen master with Koans or direct, physical blows.
Now, Rinzai Zen too has this brazen and somewhat violent
approach to teaching, silencing the mind through physical blows or conundrums,
but is heavily criticized by the Soto school of Zen, that does accept scripture
study and sitting in silence, or just sitting, as proper meditation. They regard Rinzai teachers and students
almost as common thugs or retards, without subtlety or sophistication. Rinzai masters on the other hand, regard Soto
teachers as effete academics entirely lost in their minds or in quietism.
I guess my attitude towards scriptures has long had a Rinzai
flavoring, and scriptural study was to be avoided at all costs for fear of
getting stuck in words and concepts, drying out and becoming an old fart
without juice.
However, to my great joy, now reading Shankarananda’s book, ‘Consciousness
is Everything’ gives me a new appreciation for the scriptural approach.
I know that with Swami Chetanananda, I made myself a pest by
criticizing his constant consort with academics to build a base or foundation
for the future of Kashmir Shaivism in America.
But Shankarananda’s book is different. It is not written in a boring, academic
style, but from a personal point of view, filled with the delight and joy he experiences in the teachings and his own life.
The Kashmir Shaivism presented by Swamiji is very broad and rich, as well as deep, compared to the very linear verticality of Zen and Robert’s and Nisargadatta’s Advaita.
The Kashmir Shaivism presented by Swamiji is very broad and rich, as well as deep, compared to the very linear verticality of Zen and Robert’s and Nisargadatta’s Advaita.
Shnakarananda’s Kashmir Shaivism is broad, rich, and great
fun. I feel a great happiness to
experience all that I have experienced in terms of yogic bodies, altered
states, unity consciousness within a broad context of teachings that is very
rich, very personal, very much alive, and expressed with great joy.
I think Advaita and Kashmir Shavism are experiential
antidotes to each other; one provides context, the other focuses entirely on
the end state, the final goal. I guess I
will have to read one or two of Chetanananda’s books now to better “feel” the
Shaivite approach.
20 October 2015
Shankarananda Shaivism and Nisargadatta
I like many things about Shankarananda’s book ‘Consciousness
is Everything’, among them is the emphasis on being a person. Advaita is really, really remote, and in a
way, is very Zen like and very abstract.
There is no love in Advaita or in Zen.
Love is replaced by either indifference or compassion.
I am from a Zen and Advaita background. I got out of Zen because there was no warmth or love there, but I found a lot of that in Shankarananda’s Los Angeles ashram. Basically I left Siddha Yoga with when the LA Sangha was destroyed by Chidvilasanda, and I gradually found my way back into Advaita through Nisargadatta and Jean Dunn, and Robert Adams and Ramana.
What Shankarananda’s book does is give an entirely different perspective on Consciousness, the Absolute and the human condition than Advaita. It makes many things clearer, like having stereo vision. Some things pop out. The human condition is not to be ignored as per Nisargadatta and Robert, but recognized as aspects of Consciousness. Shaivism is more open, Advaita more absolutist and elitist.
Shankarananda’s emphasis on the phrase “Consciousness is Everything” is quite different than Nisargadatta’s resting in the Absolute (Shiva state), yet is a phrase that Nisagadatta also uses to describe the what I call the Manifest level of Self or personal awareness and within that, the awareness of God within us, the divine spark of sentience, bliss, and life.
I think a true dialogue between Shankarananda and I would be very valuable. We would shed light on each other.
I would very specifically note that neither Shaivism, nor Zen, nor Advaita has anything like the moralism or judgmentalism of Christianity or New Age spirituality. Recently there has been a movement in Zen to come together in a Council and create a list of ethics for Zen Buddhism, which is an encroachment of the old Theravadin emphasis on ethics with its 513 moral precepts.
I am from a Zen and Advaita background. I got out of Zen because there was no warmth or love there, but I found a lot of that in Shankarananda’s Los Angeles ashram. Basically I left Siddha Yoga with when the LA Sangha was destroyed by Chidvilasanda, and I gradually found my way back into Advaita through Nisargadatta and Jean Dunn, and Robert Adams and Ramana.
What Shankarananda’s book does is give an entirely different perspective on Consciousness, the Absolute and the human condition than Advaita. It makes many things clearer, like having stereo vision. Some things pop out. The human condition is not to be ignored as per Nisargadatta and Robert, but recognized as aspects of Consciousness. Shaivism is more open, Advaita more absolutist and elitist.
Shankarananda’s emphasis on the phrase “Consciousness is Everything” is quite different than Nisargadatta’s resting in the Absolute (Shiva state), yet is a phrase that Nisagadatta also uses to describe the what I call the Manifest level of Self or personal awareness and within that, the awareness of God within us, the divine spark of sentience, bliss, and life.
I think a true dialogue between Shankarananda and I would be very valuable. We would shed light on each other.
I would very specifically note that neither Shaivism, nor Zen, nor Advaita has anything like the moralism or judgmentalism of Christianity or New Age spirituality. Recently there has been a movement in Zen to come together in a Council and create a list of ethics for Zen Buddhism, which is an encroachment of the old Theravadin emphasis on ethics with its 513 moral precepts.
In Zen there is no pure or impure, good or evil. In Advaita
there certainly is no moral considerations at all; it is all about
Self-Realization, whether of the Manifest Self or of the Absolute (Shiva). Shaivism seems much the closest to accepting “impurities”
(as opposed to pure Consciousness), or “contractions,’ and using them to expand
and grown by observing them, loving them, incorporating them, and then watching
them disappear through absorption. This is also what I teach, I just did not
know that Shankarananda beat me to it.
Anyone engaged in a lot of judgementalism or casting of stones, really has not a clue about what Shaivism is, or any form of spirituality above Fundamentalist Christianity or Sharia Law.
Anyone engaged in a lot of judgementalism or casting of stones, really has not a clue about what Shaivism is, or any form of spirituality above Fundamentalist Christianity or Sharia Law.
Those who say Nisargadatta is hard or easy to understand,
because he does not have a systematic knowledge, a structure for his teachings,
but is God speaking from his mouth are really mistaken.
We can easily see Nisargadatta’s teachings as a system if we read the book Master of Self-Realization, which has two sections: Master Key to Self-Realization by Siddharameshwar, which is 80 pages long, and then Part II, Master of Self Realization which is Nisargadatta’s notes on 130 of Siidharameshwar’s satsangs. Nisargadatta also wrote an introduction to this part of the book on pages 85-87, wherein he states these teachings came to him because of his faith in his guru, loyalty to his guru, and by constantly pondering these talks.
Siddharameshwar’s teachings is a very clear exploration and exposition of the Nath school of Advaita Vedanta’s understanding of the nature of Consciousness and levels of Self from the physical, to the Subtle Body/energy level, to the Causal Body level, then Turiya, than the Absolute Witness beyond Consciousness.
We can easily see Nisargadatta’s teachings as a system if we read the book Master of Self-Realization, which has two sections: Master Key to Self-Realization by Siddharameshwar, which is 80 pages long, and then Part II, Master of Self Realization which is Nisargadatta’s notes on 130 of Siidharameshwar’s satsangs. Nisargadatta also wrote an introduction to this part of the book on pages 85-87, wherein he states these teachings came to him because of his faith in his guru, loyalty to his guru, and by constantly pondering these talks.
Siddharameshwar’s teachings is a very clear exploration and exposition of the Nath school of Advaita Vedanta’s understanding of the nature of Consciousness and levels of Self from the physical, to the Subtle Body/energy level, to the Causal Body level, then Turiya, than the Absolute Witness beyond Consciousness.
I spend a lot of time explaining Nusargadatta and
Siddharameshwar in my book Self-Realization and Other Awakenings on my website,
http://wearesentience.com.
Nowhere does Siddharameshwar or Nisargadatta say that the
ultimate truths, or one’s ultimate being is ineffable. You can talk about it and even talk from that
experience as does Siddharameshwar, Nisargadatta, and Ranjit Maharaj.
However, both Nisargadatta and Ranjit say you have to get totally beyond the body identification before any true spiritual path begins. Robert also says this, and so does Ramana who utterly abandons his body from the age of 16.
However, both Nisargadatta and Ranjit say you have to get totally beyond the body identification before any true spiritual path begins. Robert also says this, and so does Ramana who utterly abandons his body from the age of 16.
But part of what these critics of my exposition state is
true: you cannot read or understand Nisargadatta from a mind-level. Your mind has to be supple, open, attentive,
and quiet, and just feel the words in your heart and gut, and let them sit
there.
Other schools like Kashmir Shaivism take a more round about walk through what Siddharameshwar refers to as the Subtle, Causal, and Turiya levels of Self, but really never let go of the body, bliss, or energies to dwell only as the absolute Witness.
They enjoy all levels combined into Self, from observing the world, the body, the Subtle Body, and Absolute as Shiva all conjoined as One, but with a different ontology than Siddharameshwar and Nisargadatta and do not talk of a Subtle or Causal body, but do of Turiya.
But these critics cannot just abandon the effort to ponder and understand the teachings of a master saying they are ineffable. They are merely admitting they do not understand and think it is because words cannot show the way. If this were true, why would masters speak in words?
Even Robert and Ramana who talk about the highest teachings are in silence, themselves spoke millions of words, talking from the end state which they have achieved. But you out there reading these words are not there. Robert spent 17 years in India deepening his understanding before his curiosity left him. In fact, he was with Nisargadatta for six months in the late 197s, when he was 50 years old, and even then had curiosity about alternative spiritual paths, by his own admission. Those who choose to be silent without doing any spiritual work are doomed to never find any awakening.
Other schools like Kashmir Shaivism take a more round about walk through what Siddharameshwar refers to as the Subtle, Causal, and Turiya levels of Self, but really never let go of the body, bliss, or energies to dwell only as the absolute Witness.
They enjoy all levels combined into Self, from observing the world, the body, the Subtle Body, and Absolute as Shiva all conjoined as One, but with a different ontology than Siddharameshwar and Nisargadatta and do not talk of a Subtle or Causal body, but do of Turiya.
But these critics cannot just abandon the effort to ponder and understand the teachings of a master saying they are ineffable. They are merely admitting they do not understand and think it is because words cannot show the way. If this were true, why would masters speak in words?
Even Robert and Ramana who talk about the highest teachings are in silence, themselves spoke millions of words, talking from the end state which they have achieved. But you out there reading these words are not there. Robert spent 17 years in India deepening his understanding before his curiosity left him. In fact, he was with Nisargadatta for six months in the late 197s, when he was 50 years old, and even then had curiosity about alternative spiritual paths, by his own admission. Those who choose to be silent without doing any spiritual work are doomed to never find any awakening.
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