26 January 2013

Dialogue about the Absolute

Darryl : I read the later parts of the introduction to your book just now - and see that this work will address other beliefs systems? Vedanta addressed 'enlightenment myths' and limited teachings, pulling them apart in the analysis of self knowledge. I saw a reference to Nisagardatta, and wondered if your were going to be presenting his "What is beyond consciousness" teaching [even though many say this statement is the result of a poor translation].

Nonetheless, if you are exploring other forms, this may be interesting. If your final solution is what I sense from the end of the intro - as one of experience - you may be presenting a limited path yourself. It will be interesting to see what you do with this. I have thought myself of doing a page exploring and refuting the limited forms, placing them into the greater truth from which their dilutions have spawned.

"A peace so profound you do not want to move so as to not disturb it." Yes, such experience is beautiful! - Yet, if you 'know' your limitless nature as the eternal Self, there is no worry about moving and losing any experience.

Ed Muzika: Darryl, I still don't understand your first paragraph. But here goes:

I have explored a lot more than the path I teach, but choose to teach a "path" that I think will have more impact on the world than taught by my primary teacher, Robert Adams.

Nisargadatta and his teacher taught a path combininbg Jnana with devotion. It is far richer than most Advaita oaths because of the devotion and the energies. Nisargadatta writes about it in his small book on his own awakening, Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization found on my own website, wearesentience.com.

As Nisargadatta got older, he repudiated his teachings found in "I Am That," and talked about the I Am as being a fraud, that you must go beyond Turiya to the Absolute, which is not a mental witness, but the Absolute witnessing itself in its reflection in phenomena.

Of course, one can become aware of oneself as the Absolute, but it is by intuition and by taking the position of the Absolute, to become it.
However, I found those who identified with the Absolute if indeed they did find the Absolute, to be sort of dead, unless, and until they returned in personal devotion to Turiya or to loving someone or something in the world.
At that point they can say with Muktananda, "I have come alive!" And such a life is ecstatic. Daily you dance with God, a return to an apparent duality.

Darryl : I hear you Ed and for the most part am [by experience] in agreement with you. But I'm not so sure about the 'ecstatic life expression.' As the Self, there is no shortage of beauty and love, as all is made of this which is that verily.

Ed Muzika: Does not require what for immense enjoyment?"

Darryl : Does not require 'acting' for enjoyment, completion, fulfillment.

Darryl : Abidance. Appreciation.

Ed Muzika: Darryl, you think that is different from what I said?

Darryl : Ed, your last paragraph of the intro - suggests immersion in particular experiences is required for discovery. This is a bit of a limited view and set-up, no?

Ed Muzika: Darryl, signature awakening events are all important. But they are not actions that can be controlled; they come when they come.

Darryl : Yes - they come on their own, quite without effort.

Ed Muzika: Without the supporting experiences, any spiritual atainments are only the understanding of concepts. The experience creates an understanding deep in the heart rather than the head.

Darryl : Actually I think [language] I differ from you on this.
"Experiences are envelope and knowledge is the [potential] contents."
I think the experiences come [as I have experienced] and without a clear basis for understanding them - we set off in all.

Ed Muzika: You have not been clear in you statements up to now and you are even less clear now. What is your truth?

Darryl : My truth? All doubts have been dissolved and the world has folded into Me. I know well by experience and knowledge - that I am that which is before all appearances of localization and form. I can not change nor have I ever moved or not been.

Ed Muzika Darryl, you are ALSO much more than that.

Ed Muzika: Darryl, I have met SO MANY PEOPLE that make that same claim of identifying with the Absolute. They go about preaching this everywhere, endlessly and even write books about it. Yet, in everyday life they are the same fuckups as everyone else, and they are the same fuckup as before they entertained and bought the concept that they were the Absolute. It is just a concept for most that does not change them one iota.


  1. That's real nice. Did you take care of the 501c3 receipts? Answer your email. Cheers, Chris

  2. Given the choice between the immense, terrible silence of God, or having God talk the way Darryl does, I'd choose the silence!

  3. Here i don't understand one thing.
    About the 'change' part.

    I mean, that sometimes you understand something, but it does not change anything, other times you understand something and it immediately changes behavior, outlook, perspective, it feels almost physically that something changed (for example, an automatic reaction drops).
    First type of understanding may propel me to use willpower and strong effort to make understanding 'alive' but it has its own flaws like 'falling back', 'seed is still there only got dormant by will power', while second type of understanding changes things without any effort. What evokes second type of understanding? Is there like some steps to it or is it just uncontrollable happening?

  4. "Another thing Ramana used to do. People used to tell him that were some intellectuals
    coming to see you, some Pundits. Who are coming to have a discourse with you
    about the religion, about hinduism, about this, about that. So he used to go outside of his
    place and he always wore loin cloths. And he would rub himself with mud and become
    filthy and sit in the mud. And when they'd come by they would say, "Where does the Sage
    live?" and he would say, "he's gone, he doesn't live here anymore," and then they would
    inquire up the hill and they would say, "you just passed him sitting in the mud." (laughter)
    And they would become disillusioned and go away. There was no time to argue. Nobody
    is trying to prove anything. Nobody is better than anybody else. Simplicity is the key. Do
    not try to convert anybody, be yourself and then they'll ask you, "How come you're like
    that, I want to find out," then you can tell them. Become a living example and people will
    follow you." Robert Adams