13 January 2010

SENT TO ME:


Hello Ed,

I feel depressed, I cannot find an escape to it. I'm not sure
going deeper can help me, or I don't know how to do it.
I'm not even able to work.

J.


RESPONSE:


The answer for depression is not meditation, but medication.

I know these things as I have functioned as a psychologist for over 20 years and a teacher of Zen and meditation for over 30 years. 

Depression can be chemical in nature and it can be a thought process. Actually, they are closely related. You would not meditate on food to cure hunger, you would eat. Similarly, medication can ameliorate the chemical depression.

Go to a doctor and get an antidepressant, such as Celexa or Lexapro, or some of the newer ones which are more costly. Then, after the depression lifts, reengage in self-inquiry.


Anyway, keep me informed. 


Lots of spiritual people will offer their method instead of self-inquiry or medication, but if the depression persists despite self-inquiry, try medication.

12 January 2010

EMAIL:


Hi Ed Many thanks for the reply.


In fact, I had felt the spiritual heart on right side only when i started the practice of Enquiry years back. Since then, I don't have that experience, though before waking up from sleep, there is that clarity of awareness as Robert always pointed out...


And, as Robert said, that awareness seem to extend for longer duration over a period of time. 


We find that the yogis/saintly people who taught techniques like Kriya yoga (say Yogananda or Lahiri Mahasaya) also seem to be realized one's. But at the same time, their teaching contradict what Robert or Ramana used to advocate.


Did Robert ever commented about such Kriya practices as to whether they themselves can take one to Enlightenment as Vichara / Enquiry does?


Love,


S.


RESPONSE:


Robert said they cannot.


The practices are within consciousness. Robert, Ramana and Nisargadatta want you to go beyond consciousness.


You can only do that by an activity that is entirely consistent with your true nature, which is just being. Focused activity of meditating on the I Am, becomes just being I Am with complete happiness, peace and contentment.


Any activity directed outwards, even on a symbol or mantra, is very indirect. As with Rajiv, such practices can lead to a point where you see all the outward practice are pointless and you decide just to watch consciousness, or seek He/She who you are. So why not start with the end practice, and your object of meditation is your sense of beingness, I Am, as opposed to anything else like breathing exercises?


Take the shortcut.

11 January 2010


Edward,


     I have been practicing Kriya for the past 8 years and I discovered your itisnotreal.com website about a month ago. I have concluded that the material on your website along with your suggested reading has began to utterly change “me”.  The one thing that I have been primarily missing in my spiritual endeavor is strenuous self analysis.  I have spent a long long time meditating and sitting in “stillness” which in itself has had a profound effect on my being. But the ability to be in that stillness and contemplate on “I am” or “what am I”…etc  has literally blown my little world apart.  My Guru has always said that the most important question we can ask is who am I?  But for some reason, I never really held on to this question and gave it a lot of thought until I discovered your site.  


I read Prior to Consciousness in a matter of days ( I know, way way way to quickly) but I found that my intuition just soaked it up as quickly as I could read it. Every morning now when I wake up I discover that I am different than I was the day before in a very profound way.  Things simply are not bothering me any longer.  I have stopped having the need to argue with anyone. I can be completing the most mundane tasks or talking about the most boring of subjects and have the same level of engagement as I would with anything else. 


The world sparkles with unbelievable freshness.  I think that Kriya has helped me greatly in bringing my mind under control, and made self introspection much more powerful.  I am literally astounded minute to minute at the simplicity and lightness of everything.
    I thought it appropriate to at least give you a heartfelt thank you.  It is time for me to slow down and read less and “practice” more.

Sincerely
  Caleb  
SENT TO ME:


Although I’ve read some religious texts and mythology, I’ve eschewed ‘gathering signposts’ or adding ‘volumes to my arrogance…ignorance’ as Robert would say—this is one of his statements that resonated with me and made me laugh.  So, I could never be a credible teacher in this area…and, alas, I cannot teach what I do not know.  So, I’ll do my best to answer the questions you have…but I do not possess the ‘lingo’…and when I try to express any of this in words….I literally feel as if I’ve fallen off the world with no point of reference.

I have no formal training in meditation other than I’ve always been comfortable in silence and stillness; at the side of a babbling brook or alone;  I never understood why folks would be un-nerved by it and felt they had to ‘fill the air-waves’ with chatter, loud music or drinking. 

Currently, I do not attribute my ‘state of neutrality’ to working with this text---it came  over time as I let things go, as I accepted ‘what is’ and persevered to remain in the moment. 

The text I’ve been working with is The Collected Works of Robert Adams (967pdf).  The transcripts of all his Satsangs with you, and others.  Later, when I began to listen to the audio recordings….I hear your voice from time to time, and you have a wonderful, heartening laugh. 

As I worked my way through this text over 8 months, I was not able to read it quickly to gain an overview.  It pulled me in, and it seemed irreverent to move so quickly…so, I slowed down. .. a great deal.  The pace varied by the degree of ‘resonance’ I felt with the particular transcript/or written session. I stayed with the printed transcript alone, for the first 6 months…because I am more of a visual learner; verbal learning only reinforces the topic or opens it for my heart to grab onto it in a different way…to see/know it at another level…or to see another facet.

As for my practice and what inner state it yields—I’ll do my best to describe.
I wake quickly.  I practiced watching for the gap. Shortly I was able to awaken without mindedness or thoughts and I would repeat a few ‘I, Am’ breaths and then just dwell in the stillness that arose. It is peaceful, quiet with a hint of warmth/welcoming.  It is devoid of all else. Depending upon how early I awoke, I would remain in this state for  1-2 hours, or until my kitty-guru would fetch me.  Through breakfast—I would remain in this state while being present with my feline guru and celebrating the morning. Once chores were accomplished, I would pick up reading the text where I left off the previous day.  I spent every day, 1-4 hours working with the text.  I would read a paragraph, reflect…absorb. The stillness would carry throughout the day.

In the evening, I would repeat the ‘I, Am’ breaths a few times, enter the same peaceful state and stay there for an hour or so.  I would then retire, and as I did so, I would reflect/recite…the 4 principles of self-realization of noble wisdom.  I am not a creature of habit, actually I love variety (not a rut) and so this was not a mechanical recitation.  I worked to find the words…then to cast away the language for a a knowing as my heart would absorb or embrace something to the ‘core’.  Once I felt this, I would change it to reflecting on something that had seem foreign to me…something that I had gained intellectually from the text but did not have a ‘knowing’ of within my heart…or this ‘I am-ness’. Over  time, as programs/concepts/attachments became recognized…and then fell away with mental/emotional detachment from witnessing…the “I am-ness’ moved to an experience with the same presence or feeling….but to something no longer named…just pointed to.  It moved from the ‘neti, neti’…what I am not….to ‘out beyond all that I know…sense…feel…any concept….I am THAT.” No labeling….no images…no concepts…no mind.

Once I completed this review of the text, I would look over certain areas I had marked and reflect upon them.  If there were a ‘reaction’ to the dialog or question from a devotee, I would probe the reaction through self-inquiry…looking for the root.  I then began to retire with listening to Satsang audible sessions on my ipod.  Often 5 – 30 a night, depending on wakefulness.  I repeat the sessions, let’s say July 1992 for 3-4 nights.  At this point, when I can nearly repeat it…or anticipate it,  I then move onto the next month/set of recordings. Even when I listen to the same talks repetitively, I never start in the same place or with the same talk.  I keep mashing or mixing it up.

I do this every day ---I abide in the principles, I-am-ness, stillness nearly throughout the day.  It takes an exceptional event to react/pull me out of this state.  Even in these exceptional circumstances, there was a stillness and clarity from which came the right action….however, if there were gripping emotions that I experienced…or went into…and then witnessed ‘ to whom do these come….they come to me…who is this little me…this I that has these emotions…what is the Source this I?”  Never answering any of these …reflecting in stillness….it dissipates the emotion. Sometimes I would take the path of self-inquiry, sometimes I would go into the feeling…dive deep into it… to feel every iota of it; this type of ‘diving’ usually only was needed once….then witnessing, self-inquiry…shining that light on it …evaporated it instantly.

There are no labels…polarities…when everything is awash in this neutrality.  There is no thing…no sound…no images…no geometrical shapes…nothing comes to senses or mind.  Nothing that anyone else describes or experiences, at least that I’ve read to date (I don’t go looking for these, but run across them in reading). For lack of a better analogy, it’s like a cool, foggy, overcast day….beautiful, still and peaceful in its own right; but not the brilliant, sunny, sparkling aliveness of a sunny day with dazzling warmth and vitality.  It’s peaceful and still but without the pervading bliss, joy, warmth and enveloping love that I felt the oneness with in my death experience.

Now after leaving the text alone – I am reviewing the passages that I marked…approximately 60’ish that I want to reflect on and ensure that they are heart-felt and not an intellectual learning or concept. 

When I’m not working in my career, I fill the background with either silence or devotional music.  I had an extensive library of Gregorian chant that I’ve now complimented with your recommendations (Shankarananda, Muktananda, et cetera).  I do not know the words…which keeps my mind out of it…I just allow my Self to BE the music….or to appreciate/attentively listen to the artistry without interpretation.

My final comment, is that I have experienced a different ‘I am-ness’…than all of what I’ve described. I had attended a silent group that gets together around the work of Lester Levenson. The only verbal communication is a showing of a video or audio session from one of his Sedona retreats/teachings. The material was not new to me…but I did experience a higher energy level.   Maybe 20 minutes into the silence I was moved to turn my ipod to a particular song and to just let it repeat. The experience made me feel as if the music lifted me to a higher plane…where I was ‘in’ the music and visualizing the masters that have been important to me….and me with them. The silent period lasted for about an hour (I’m told) but I was oblivious. I came back about ½ hour after everyone had left…having missed all of the chatting as everyone departed.  I was so energized by the experience---it had left me feeling as though I was the center of a brilliant, whirling galaxy. Everything seemed different…amplified…but the feeling was enveloping….safe…positive….welcoming…brilliant.  It was still no where near the magnitude of my previous experience, but it was beyond the ‘zone of neutrality’ in a way. I know I had to walk to my car…but I wasn’t….it was happening…but it wasn’t the focus…I was still enveloped in the experience.  But there was a side-effect. I had no awareness of it, until I went to answer the host’s question….”we didn’t disturb you, but WHERE were YOU?”  I went to answer but physically couldn’t answer, I couldn’t speak.  I could hear…although distantly…what I would have said in reply …but I couldn’t form the words…. I waved him off…pointed to my watch (pure improvisation) and bustled off.  I had to change my plans for the day. I texted changes to folks on my phone and then headed for a quiet place of tall redwoods where I could sit undisturbed.  I went back into the experience, but it was not as deep.  I totally lost track of time. 6 Hours later I realized it was getting dark and I was cold. When I arrived home, I could speak but with brevity… but it was like I was somewhere else. My guests thought I was toying with them for the evening…but it was all I could muster. The situation required that I contribute to the conversation that evening, but it was mostly through presence and listening.  It’s been 2 years since this experience and I’ve not experienced anything like it’s depth or side-effect since. I don’t know if it is relevant—but…there it is.  The experience did make me cautious about where/when I sought this depth.

I hope this helps—I’m not sure if I’ve elucidated my inner state but I have provided some construct to the practice.  I’m still a ‘working stiff’ myself….but I’ve found that if I start and end the waking day with ‘practice’….it carries me through most of the rest.  It helps to set the framework for my ‘waking day’ and keeps me grounded or centered on what’s most important to me.

Thank you for reading it---I will endeavor to answer any questions and will gratefully accept any guidance or insight you can provide.

Grateful that you are here for the rest of us,


RESPONSE:


I listen and hear you are practicing almost perfectly, and you are going into a state beyond consciousness, or at least beyond waking and sleep consciousness. But are you aware that the waking and sleep states come to you, are added to you and do not touch you?


I hear despite these profound states you are looking to recreate permanently an experience that lasted about two years after your near death, and the failure to recreate the intensity of that experience is the cause now of a degree of unhappiness. It is possible that the desiring-anticipation of that state recurring is a subtle sabotage.


Robert used to say a time comes when the bliss is no longer wanted or needed, that the silence gives everything. And it sounds like you have entered Turiya and can abide there with regularity.


Are you happy now or are you waiting for something else?


Think about this for a while before answering.


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For a more blissful experiences, the body has to be energized somewhat. I don't know the state of your physical body now, but perhaps some exercise.


Also, I would avoid doing anything except self-inquiry: isolating the feeling 'I am' and plunging into it. Forget thoughts and feelings. They are not important. Don't do the I am breathing exercise for a while, nor reading Robert's talks. Just focus on I Am. Fall back into it; watch it; become it; play with it as you were doing.


Then tell me what happens. I am very interested.


You have nothing to fear. You are like a golf ball rolling around the hole before dropping in. I don't know you well enough yet to say other than what I have.


You are doing everything right, just keep going with the above adjustments.



10 January 2010


Hi Ed Good morning. This is S. from Coimbatore, India.

As I have mailed you earlier, reading through Robert's satsangh transcripts is as good as doing Enquiry or dhyana. I can compare this with what Ramana used to say about Ribhu Gita (reading Ribhu gita is as good as being in Samadhi)...

And, just thought will check with you on few things related to the sadhana.

1. Generally those who follow the path of Raja Yoga / Kriya Yoga don't talk/accept about the Spiritual Heart / emergence of 'I' from the heart on the right side of the chest, as mentioned by Ramana & Robert. They only stress about Sahasrara chakra as the seat of samadhi experience.

Though this is something we can check by our experience & practice, I would be eager to know how Robert viewed this, particularly when he was with Paramahamsa Yogananda in his earlier days before he came to Ramana.And, so Robert must have spoken about this difference in the approach of these schools.

RESPONSE: Really, Robert only talked about self-inquiry or beginner practices, nothing about Kriya or Raja yoga. He had a disagreement with Yogananda about all the Kriya techniques saying they were irrelevant. Yogananda then told him to go to India to Ramana. Robert said Yogananda could hardly wait to get rid of him.

Robert and Ramana are quite clear though that the spiritual heart does not exist. It is a fantasy just as is the world. Not real. But beginners often need an imaginary focus point, and that's what they gave. As long as people feel they are bodies, it helps to have this imaginary focus point. When your awakening happens, yoy'll see that it is not real, just as the body, world and mind are not real.

So, could you please tell me about how Robert viewed this as the Yogi's do attain the state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi. I also remember reading Ramana where he used to say that Nirvikalpa Samadhi is not a necessery stage before realization.

It is not necessary. It is only a temporary experience in consciousness. Only the permanent is important, and nothing in consciousness is permanent.

2. Also, not all those who follow the path of Vichara go thro the experience of Heart. Like, Nisargadatta say that he never had the experience with Spiritual heart. So, is that something dependent on individual's practice? Has Robert said anything about experience in the spiritual heart as something that need not happen with everyone?

Just as I said above, the heart center is only imaginary as is the body and mind. However, many people experience heart center experiences that motivate them to go deeper. Ultimately though, not even the body exists as we imagine it, let alone the various chakras. You want to go beyond these concepts as opposed to focusing on them, which makes them more "real."

If you "see" the world in a new way, devoid of the min's shaping, it is a wonderful and mysterious experience of oneness without center or objects. However, you do need the mindscreen back in order to function as an imaginary entity within the imaginary world.

By imaginary, I mean the mind enforces patterns on the formless, and as such it has a practical reality for purposes of functioning. That is what the mind is, a survival tool.  

But the world perceived without interpretation is a dancing oneness of mixtures of seeing, hearing and tactile senses without easily recognized forms or reason. Mind imposes patterns which allows the body to survive.

Ultimately though, the only REAL is beyond consciousness altogether, beyond the dancing oneness world, the mind, the heart or even consciousness itself.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

08 January 2010

Written to Me:



Dearest Ed,


My deepest heartfelt gratitude for being an authentic Source for the teachings of yourself and Robert. Thank you for being here as a salvation of insight for the rest of us…the rest of you.


I know that you must be inundated—and I struggle with providing minimal context to ask a relevant question.  I refrained from asking you questions, until I felt that I had worked along the path.  Often, I would reflect on the question I had…formulate it…and it would magically be answered during the pages I turned that week.


 I admire the talent that you and Robert have for articulating all of ‘this’ in very expressive and relational way with brilliant clarity and such concise terms. I beg your forgiveness for probably not finding the right balance here. I will attempt to provide the minimal context in the hopes of providing just enough to receive some meaningful insight or guidance.


“The Power that knows the way” allowed me to find you in Feb09….and through you, to find the gift of more transcripts and recorded sessions from Robert.  Prior to this I had lived on a very limited library of Roberts’ and Lester Levensons’ original works which required a lot of tenacity and winnowing to find; but they resonated with me. Before I wrote to you, I had poured through both your Orange and Blue websites with voracity and enthusiasm.  It was wonderful.  I lived vicariously by listening to the blog posts but the level of questions and guidance on the Blog seemed to be well beyond me …or on a different path.


The day I received the USB key, I printed it all and placed it in a 3-ring binder and have worked with it ever since.  I know that the instructions were to read it through as an overview first, and then to come back and read/work through it slowly…a paragraph at a time.  Things had changed in my ‘life situation’ and given the gift of more time during the day, the second approach seemed to speak to me more.  Diligently working with it over the next 8 months, I then took 2 months to reflect on what my heart had absorbed and to review ‘flagged’ pages where a question or confusion had arisen.  Synergistically I found solace in listening to the Satsang recordings at night ( I would listen through 5 -10 at night before falling asleep to it; or stopping after reflecting on  a ‘good point’ or witnessing a reaction that I was having to a question or the ‘drifting’ of the group. And because I am an early riser, I would often listen to a number of Satsangs in the morning or abide in the silence, before the rest of the household awoke.  I would stop when my cat, my guru of stillness/joy and presence in the moment, would sit triumphantly on top of the open pages…as if to say ‘Enough, now it’s my turn!’

My question is: 


  Where I am now, a depth of peace has been added to the compassion and stillness that were already there (must have been work done before).  A reverence for all life and a oneness with it has been second-nature to me.  Periods of ‘mindlessness’ are extensive and contiguous—these were present before but not with the clarity of no-thing-ness that pervades the experience now.  Having died to the world, or it for me…laughing at the ‘things’ that used to have a grip or hook for me has come swiftly, with clarity.  Much has fallen away.  But the landscape is awash in “neutrality”…not joy or endless bliss.  Don’t misunderstand though—I do experience ephemeral glimpses that bring tears to my eyes and warmth to my heart….but they are fleeting.  I emerged to this landscape over a calendar year ago through an experience that you described where you were wrapped in this ‘orgasmic’ rapture…for me it lasted about 2 weeks until I was able to go more adeptly ‘into’ the feeling and it instantly dissipated. I have patiently awaited growth or evolvement or an unfolding…but all is still neutrality.

Here, I need to add just one more past experience, that is relevant.  When Robert speaks of the joy that is beyond what anyone can imagine…I understand.  I have to take less on faith than most. In my youth I was blessed with a glimpse…or a reminder, depending on your perspective.  Regardless of the circumstances that led to it, I experienced death….many minutes within a hospital ER…to the point that ‘it was a risk’ to bring me back.  There were many experiences buried within this event but the concise version would be that after emerging through the final defiant/resistant act of the mind-body…there I was above it all…witnessing the entire event…without a ‘care in the world’.   Language will never express this, but I felt as if a mantle weighing 10+ tons had cracked and fallen off my shoulders…all fear was gone…there was only this enveloping warmth…golden/sparkling/myriads of crystalline light…oneness without distinction…everything was love…everything was joy…all a continuum.  There was brilliant clarity there.  The experience left me full of laughter, joy and transparency for at least 2 years (very unnerving for nursing/therapist/docs who were administering painful therapy)…and it erased all fear of death for me.  Finding my way ‘back there’ and surrendering my life to ‘thy will’ has been the journey to date.  Suffice it to say, the world won me back over time…wearing me down, when I could not find a path back…or a master….or a guide …in the rural settings of my youth.  I conformed to the world, moved on, but remained changed.  There are times when ‘all is well’ is a knowing because there is a resonance to this experience and there is a flash of clarity or understanding that comes with it.
Now, awash in neutrality, looking for ‘thy will be done’ to find me--- a path forward…within the world…but not of the world—compatible with beingness.  I work on trusting in spontaneity and only ask for the strength, wisdom, clarity and courage to do what will be asked. In spite of massive changes and challenges within my ‘life situation’, there is peace and stillness but not this boundless joy and bliss.  Although already realized, as we all are, appearing to be adrift in my ability to awaken to the true Self.


Any insight or guidance?

Namaste,  Master Ed----gratefully yours,  J.



Response withheld pending further info from J.

07 January 2010

Dear Ed,

I have just happened upon your website while reading "Prior To Consciousness".  Although you folks seem very far beyond my experiences thus far, it all speaks deeply to me.  

I was drawn to read Ramana, Gangaji, Nisargadatta and now you.  I would be very interested in your teaching/ Satsang online.  Have you started? Also, any beginning help for me would be most appreciated...I do feel as if I could use some *teacher* aid.

I am grateful for all your sharings...and your help with the cats.  Really.

All love,

K.

Hi Karen,

Here is what I want you to do. I will be your guide and save you 10 or 20 years if you want to go all the way to complete liberation. I don't ask you to trust me, but to try what I advise for a month or two, and see what happens.

Download the Nisargadatta Gita I am sending you, print it out and place in a 3 ring binder and it becomes your bible.  Read it every morning. Ponder the words then meditate on the I Am feeling, the sense you exist.

Do this for two weeks. I want to see if this approach fits you. I hope so. You may begin to feel peace almost right away, and that will mark that it is good for you.

Ed


Thank you very much Ed.  I am grateful for your suggested guidance and shall begin.

I will be in touch when it feels right.

Great gratitude,
K.

EIGHT DAYS LATER:

Dear Ed,

Peace.  Freedom.  Truth.

My experience is the quietest, calmest fireworks.  It is as if everything just stopped, someone lifted off the veil and all simply *is*.  My seeking in the past had me always engaged in perfecting myself, so busy with some new and special practice. With this, I don't feel the urgency to get anywhere, rather a simple gratitude that it is.  I have been deeply moved by Robert's words on your site...simple and profound.  Finally my insides say, this is what you know.

Thank you for your offer to guide...I am truly grateful.

I read the *bible* and find that all day long, the Who am I keeps speaking. This is the most quieting practice.  

Thank you,
K.
In contradistinction to the neo advaitins who look inside themselves and finding themselves to both exist and consciousness, declare themselves enlightened, I'd like to refer people to Michael James website.


Michael spent many years with Sadhu Om translating Ramana's writings as well as those by Ramana's core students.


His masterpiece is a monster 650 page book called Happiness and the Art of Being. Other ebooks downloadable for free from his site are the Path of Sri Ramana, Part I and II.


http://www.happinessofbeing.com/

05 January 2010







For some times I have watched many Facebook people trading “verbal” pointers with each other and receiving applauding comments from readers. The quotes and comments are usually about thoughts vis-a-vis appearances of the world, experience as the desiderata of truth, identification with thinking or the body, the impermanence of thought, the deconstruction of the mind, and also about the cognizing and existence.


But all of this is on a superficial level of concepts about mind and reality. It is mind speaking to mind, engaging intellectual analysis of concepts and phenomena.


In fact, no deep understanding or attainment can come from this, because the mind itself is false and consciousness is not real in any ultimate sense.


All the great teachers, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, and Robert Adams place extraordinary emphasis on self-inquiry, which also seems often confused with the repetitious use of the query, “Who am I?,” repeated endlessly with respect to thoughts and emotions and percepts.


However, this is not self-inquiry. Self inquiry means isolating the sense of I Am, the sense that we exist, the sense of amness, or the sense of I, focus on it, probe it with the mind, and learn every aspect of its nature. By such familiarity we gain an understanding of the experience of I Am, which gradually has to be teased away from the experience of the body and world, which is a false appearance. We must experience I Am, the first person, as ourself, completely without the distortion of the world and body presence, the projected waking world. That is how the personal mind is dissolved, by seeing through the falseness of the world consciousness, the waking mind, the body and dreamworld, not by intellectual analysis of the relation between thoughts and objects, neither of which have “real” existence.


This inward investigation and abiding in the sense of I Am leads to an automatic relinquishing of the world, and an automatic, downwards spiraling into one’s true self nature. The deeper you go, the happier you become, making it easier it is to go deeper because of the increasing happiness and love felt. There is a growing love to abide silently in one’s self and not turn outside.  You become increasingly happy doing nothing but attending to your own subjectivity. This takes the mind deeper and makes it more subtle, seeing distinctions missing before.


But absolutely nothing is to be gained by observing thoughts, except the I thought, or understanding intellectually how thoughts create the false world we observe. This is only philosophizing. Western philosophy dealt with these topics for hundreds of years as do Eastern philosophers still, with no freedom found in such mental gymnastics.

When you go deep into the experience of I Am, at some point the illusion of the world—waking consciousness AND dream mind becomes crystal clear. They are both seen strictly as imagination, and the desire arises to know the real. No analysis is needed or helpful in finding the real, only plunging deeper within.


Therefore the emphasis should be on doing self inquiry in the proper way and sharing with others one’s experience while going deeper into the contents of consciousness. You have to go deep into the mind, to the root of you beingness in order to transcend it, and that is done by following, attending to, or abiding in that sense of I Am.


Self inquiry allows the mind to gradually become sharper and more subtle, so that it can tease out reality from unreality, appearance from the self.


I have universally recommended several texts for this: The meditation manual, “The Nisargadatta Gita” by Apte, and The Path of Sri Ramana, Part I, chapters 7 and 8 by Sadhu Om and Michael James. Then again, all of Robert’s talks, the 146 available now of http://itisnotreal.com, all emphasize self inquiry. Robert talks about the various methods of self-inquiry in many different ways in his talks. He never advised doing nothing. Except perhaps being near him.


Michael James wrote a huge 672 page book covering all aspects of Ramana’s teachings entitled “Happiness and the Art of Being” which goes deeply into Ramana’s teachings and the practice of self-inquiry. It is important to read this message on reaility (Chapter 4) and Practice, Chapter 10.


I really don’t understand the function of throwing “pointer” quotes at each rather than talking about your own experiences in self-inquiry. That would do far more to help others than quotes from someone who deconstructs the mind, or analyzes percepts and thoughts.








Michael James: Happiness and the Art of Being: http://www.happinessofbeing.com/happiness_art_being.html#ebook


I would also point out that Michael Langford’s book, follows in this same tradition of emphasizing constant self-attention, although the practice described is slightly different from the methods espoused in the books above.


Until you know first hand that which lies beyond waking and dream world consciousness, you cannot be sure that your existence is constant, and that YOU are beyond heaven and earth, and life and death.


Then when you see thus deeply into yourself, you will feel the deepest happiness and love imaginable.


The point is avoid talking about thought, concepts, reality, witness, observer, real, unreal, etc., and look within for your source as I Amness, and abide there. This is your sense of existence, or presence. Watch it, play with it, recede into it, abide in it. Then everything will be revealed.


From Michael James book, my own “pointers” quote:


If we are really intent upon experiencing the true goal of yoga, which is perfectly clear self-knowledge, we will not feel inclined to read vast quantities of sacred texts or other philosophical books, because we will be eager to put into practice what we have learnt from a few really pertinent books which explain that simple self- attentive being is the only means by which we can experience that goal. If instead we feel enthusiasm only to study an endless number of books, we will merely succeed in filling our mind with countless thoughts, which will draw our attention away from our essential consciousness of our own being. Thus filling our mind with knowledge gathered from many books will be a great obstacle to our practice of self-attentive being.
Excessive study will not only fill our mind with innumerable thoughts, which will cloud our natural inner clarity of self- consciousness, but will also fill it with the pride of learning, which will prompt us to display our vast knowledge to other people, and to expect them to appreciate and praise it. Therefore in verse 36 of Ulladu Narpadu Anubandham Sri Ramana says:
Rather than people who though learned, have not subsided [surrendered or become humble or still], the unlearned are saved. They are saved from the ghost of pride that possesses the learned. They are saved from the disease of many whirling thoughts. They are saved from running in search of fame [repute, respect, esteem or glory]. Know that what they are saved from is not just one evil.
Of all the obstacles that can arise in our path when we are seeking true self-knowledge, the desire for praise, appreciation, respect, high regard, renown or fame is one of the most delusive and therefore dangerous, and it is one to which the learned are particularly susceptible. Therefore in verse 37 of Ulladu Narpadu Anubandham Sri Ramana says:
Though all the worlds are [regarded by them as] straw, and though all the sacred texts are within [their] hand, [for] people who come under the sway of the wicked whore who is puhazhchi [praise, applause, appreciation, respect, high regard, renown or fame], escaping [their] slavery [to her], is rare.
The first clause of this verse, ‘though all the worlds are straw’, implies that those of us who have studied vast amounts of philosophy may look down upon the normal mundane pleasures of this world, heaven and all other worlds as being a mere trifle, and may therefore imagine that we have renounced all desire for them. The second clause, ‘though all the sacred texts are within hand’, implies that we may have mastered a vast range of scholastic knowledge about various systems of philosophy, religious belief and other such subjects. However, in spite of all our vast learning and our seeming renunciation, if we fall prey to desire for the extremely delusive pleasure of being an object of praise, appreciation, admiration, respect, high regard, acclaim or fame, to free ourself of such desire is very difficult indeed.
The desire for appreciation and respect is very subtle and therefore powerful in its ability to delude us, and it is a desire to which even otherwise perfectly good people can easily fall a prey, particularly if they engage themselves in any activity that seems to benefit other people, such as teaching the principles of religion, philosophy or moral conduct through either speech or writing. This desire is particularly dangerous for a spiritual aspirant, because the pleasure we feel in being appreciated and respected derives from our attachment to our ego or individual personality – our delusive sense that we are the person who is appreciated and respected.



Does anyone read Korean? What are they saying here?


http://www.buddhapia.co.kr/mem/hyundae/auto/newspaper/238/n-24.htm


Secret revealed. Sent to me from Paul Paek



“Introduce the authentic Zen Buddhism to the world”

“I wish to convey the messages of Korean Buddhism to Americans that carries the truths of inner side of humanity whereas the conventional Buddhism is somewhat formal”

4pm on 18th at Jogye Temple, Mr. Edward Muzika is appointed to become the first International Dharma Instructor from foreign country for Jogye Order of Korean Buddhism. Ed says “I will disseminate the Jogye Order of Korean Buddhism yet unfarmiliar to Americans with customized programs for ascerticism that fit to Americans.”

Ed is the vice president of American Buddhist Congress and he’s been collaborating with the Buddhism of Korea, Japan, Tibet, South East Asian countries and China. He had a special affection to Korean Buddhism after meeting Doan, the chief Buddhist monk of Korean American Buddhist Congress in Los Angeles. Ed expressed his regrets that Korean Buddhism is not introduced to the world and he will give his small help to make the globalization of Korean Buddhism.

Ed and Doan plan to preferment the Dongsan Buddhism University in Los Angeles to a formal four year University and put more efforts to translate the Korean Buddhism books to English.
 


04 January 2010

Edji,
As I sat for evening dhyaan I reached a trance state soon. With attention at the background and witnessing of thoughts
the mind gets interiorized. I reach a state between sleep and conciousness.  The mind becomes solid and hard and thoughts are gone. There was  a blurred inner experience, a numbed feeling like an effect of a drug.The blurred inner experience tries to deepen and then the beingness was felt like a wave rising and falling in an ocean of my heart.WOW


Any small Noise outside caused intense disturbance at the  heart.The noise literally attacked my heart  and shook the deep silence. Hence I had to stop at that. 


For the first time I felt the beingness as a wave floating, rising and falling in the ocean of my heart. It was a semi conscious state I think.


After the session I felt such intense happiness. I felt crying with tears of joy in my eyes. Every cell of my body was yelling  with intense happiness.That was inspite of the fact that a minor crisis of sorts has arisen in my finances  yet I feel totally unaffected.

In the midst of  turmoil I have only one thing to do: SMILE.
Smile with tears of intense Joy. I felt Master I touched the inner most core of my being today which originates from the heart but extends far beyond it.

Pranoms Master,

Rajiv

03 January 2010

QUESTION SENT TO ME:


Hello, 


What is the real difference between the I Am and the I? For when I try to abide in being, it "feels" as if the I and the I Am share the same "core", or are identical even. It is the "reference" point to which the I refers, it seems. Is there some "truth" in this, or am I way off? 


P.


RESPONSE:


They are the same although at times they will appear to be different. But in the beginning and in the end they are identical.


QUESTION:


What does this mean? I.e. is this relevant somehow? 


RESPONSE:


"What does what mean?"


They are identical except during the process of investigation, at times they can appear to be different. At the beginning of the search, the mind is not subtle, so they seem the same. During the search, the mind gets subtler, and some make a distinction between I and Am, and I and I am. Some near the end of the search claim their is only amness.


But at the end, everything is seen to be the same, because what was before observed as distinct from me, becomes recognized as me as a projection. 


I am the beginning and the end.