tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post7085486798888608623..comments2023-12-16T16:12:08.051-08:00Comments on Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization: TO TRANSCEND OR NOT TO TRANSCENDEd Muzikahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-25322855682565250582016-09-08T08:12:17.013-07:002016-09-08T08:12:17.013-07:00You have lached onto an idea and are sticking to i...You have lached onto an idea and are sticking to it. Of course Jnanis have minds. They use them all day long to get things done. But a jnani's "center of gravity" of consciousness is deeper than the mind, deeper in beingness.<br /><br />You didn't know Robert personally, so it is easy for you to ascribe anything to him. I knew him day to day. He certainly had a mind and used it. He read the newspaper, was up on current affairs, calculated his budget, directed publicity about Satsang, assigned different tasks to different students, and once I asked him what he was thinking about, and he said, "How to cook you."<br /><br />You have taken the idea that a jnani is not captured by the mind, and took it literally that they have no minds. You are captured by a false concept.<br /><br />There are manykinds of no-mind experiences, and in each the world and one's own existence are experienced in differing ways. But if your center is deep in your heart center, in beingness, the mind does not capture you.<br />Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-24351370243314639512016-09-07T17:43:07.633-07:002016-09-07T17:43:07.633-07:00Sure, Sri Ramana talked about his awakening experi...Sure, Sri Ramana talked about his awakening experience when he was 16 years old. But after that there was no more a "Ramana" there but Self. Same goes for Robert Adams. He may have talked about his day to day "experiences" but in all reality there was no "Robert" who actual experienced anything. <br />He actually mentioned that in his collected works.<br /><br />Same goes for any Jnani. There were/are all Self, the same and identical Self. No distinctions and experiences, those are only by the mind. A Jnani has no mind, also according to Robert Adams.Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-4752689767271335202016-09-07T14:25:22.527-07:002016-09-07T14:25:22.527-07:00Cicero. Nonsense. Ramana talked about his awaken...Cicero. Nonsense. Ramana talked about his awakening experience, Robert about his. Robert also talked about his day to day experiences.<br /><br />Muktananda wrote a book about his spiritual experiences. Nisargadatta wrote about his.<br /><br />Ramakrishna described 30 years of his experiences to his students.<br /><br />Zen masters talk about their awakening experiences which become koans for their students.<br /><br />You assume there is no self to perceive. Definitely not true, but it is probably not the self you think you are.<br />Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-73882163792892099942016-09-06T22:08:02.059-07:002016-09-06T22:08:02.059-07:00Good question, as far as I understand it somebody ...Good question, as far as I understand it somebody who is Self-realized does not experience anything at all. And that is permanent. If there is an experience then that is experienced by the mind and that means that the experiencer is not enlightened. Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-48851075048962871622016-07-26T09:05:17.636-07:002016-07-26T09:05:17.636-07:00SirSirmukeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09095310421360068915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-72966150159835783482016-07-26T08:39:32.572-07:002016-07-26T08:39:32.572-07:00"Then sometimes I can self experience as awar..."Then sometimes I can self experience as awareness without mind, without a sense of self or world, without the I Am sensation, and just stay there too, knowing and experiencing nothing."<br /><br />Are you implying that without body, without mind, without 'I AM' you can still experience?<br />Arvydashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16930435403396428739noreply@blogger.com