tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post5364821353773461732..comments2023-12-16T16:12:08.051-08:00Comments on Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization: Ed Muzikahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-79854453508138595442011-08-31T02:21:31.677-07:002011-08-31T02:21:31.677-07:00The field stands in matchless glory, standing only...The field stands in matchless glory, standing only of ItSelf;<br /><br />It stands alone beyond 'eternal':<br />(doesn't even need a shelf).<br /><br />The ego is a pest, it's true;<br />as 'ago' is the 'past':<br /><br />Oh Neo's! One day you will learn,<br />that 'characters' don't last.<br /><br />Edji puts your shoes on for you;<br />shows you how to tie the bow:<br /><br />yet it's up to you to practice,<br />lest thorns be all 'you' know.Allennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-77712410581338468832011-08-01T17:18:59.605-07:002011-08-01T17:18:59.605-07:00Dear Donna,
Wonderful post.
For those who would ...Dear Donna,<br /><br />Wonderful post.<br /><br />For those who would like to read Robert Adam's book, a warning, the latest editions are NOT just republications of earlier editions!<br /><br />You need to read an earlier edition of the book to get the best of Robert, or read the original transcripts.<br /><br />The original transcripts can be found here:<br /><br />http://www.robert-adams.info<br /><br />and a 1999 version of the book Silence of the Heart can be found here:<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/60947736/Robert-Adams-Silence-of-the-Heart<br /><br />And many thanks to those who posted these wonderful resources!<br /><br />Love to All,<br /><br />Jo-AnnJo-Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-77363942100821671772011-08-01T16:57:02.938-07:002011-08-01T16:57:02.938-07:00I have been studying Advaita Vedanta for over fort...I have been studying Advaita Vedanta for over forty years including all the traditional sources. I have not been impressed by the current crop of New Age Advaita teachers, whose teachings might be characterized as "the cult of non-practice". Such teachings may be attractive and consoling to those who wish to be congratulated for being "already realized" but not so useful to those who are truly moved to realize the true nature of self and world for real. They do have the value of introducing newbies to the fundamental conclusions of non-dualism, but the seemingly logical advice to engage in no spiritual practice has a serious flaw. This flaw is the failure to recognize or acknowledge that nearly everyone is already doing a very intense practice -- the practice of identification with a presumed separate self. All of the devastating consequences including fear, sorrow, anger and all the rest -- called "suffering" in Buddhism -- follow from this already ongoing practice. This practice is not undone by simply reading the great Advaitic conclusions and somehow "noticing" that they are true. Such noticing doesn't cut very deep into the already firmly-held conviction of separation and mortality. Those teachers who merely offer "pointers" to one's true nature delude their followers into thinking that nothing beyond noticing what is being pointed to is necessary. For awhile, at first, this may seem to "work", but soon the deeply entrenched practice of egoity and presumption of separation reasserts itself with a vengeance. <br /><br />I am sorry to see Robert Adams wonderful book, "Silence of the Heart", sometimes lumped into the category of such New Age Neo-Advaita. It is actually something quite different. It is far more reflective of the strong non-dualistic teachings of Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. Such traditional teachers fully understood the power of maya and did not underestimate its force. While they articulated the highest non-dualistic conclusions, they also offered potent practices to undermine the deeply encrusted egoic presumptions of aspirants. Robert Adams teaches in this same spirit. This book contains the highest wisdom that can be expressed in words along with a healthy respect for the obstacles faced by sincere aspirants. Adams offers the kind of realistic assessment and authentic practices to move beyond the limitations which have plagued us for eons, into the clear light of authentic wisdom and transcendental realization. Robert Adams was the real deal and is worthy of serious attention. Highly recommended for those who wish to move beyond the sometimes inspiring, but ultimately limited offerings of the New Age Neos.donnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-45630740642975507692011-08-01T16:38:40.515-07:002011-08-01T16:38:40.515-07:00You people need serious help. I am hiding nothing ...You people need serious help. I am hiding nothing and I don't even know this Charlie you speak of and no I did not plagiarize poems.<br /><br />Anyhow this will be my last post I clearly see how cult like you are and have no desire to be a part of it by posting comments.Ramananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-37760788911874361942011-08-01T16:34:19.173-07:002011-08-01T16:34:19.173-07:00But of course it's Mandi. I never pretended th...But of course it's Mandi. I never pretended that the words were mine?<br />I actually put her name at the end at least I thought I did but when it was approved for posting her name was not there and of course we can not edit our own posts so I just let it go. You clearly misunderstood I put my name at the end of all my posts it just so happens that her poem was the end and it looked like I was taking credit. But you should know this if your looking that closely at my posts you will see Ramana always at the end of all my posts. It feels like you cherry picked one post that could be taken the incorrect way and then called me on it?<br />Shame on you just kidding but you should have known I put my name at the end of every post.<br />RamanaRamananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-77953123850324056572011-08-01T16:25:23.465-07:002011-08-01T16:25:23.465-07:00I am not posting your comments Ramana because you ...I am not posting your comments Ramana because you are not identifying yourself. You have not made a case for your truth. You plagerize poems, and steal stuff off of Charlie Hayes blog, if you are not Charlie himself. I have no idea what YOUR truth is as it all seems borrowed.<br /><br />In one post you say you had a complete, full blown awakening at age 12, and when questioned why did you then follow many teachers, you commented that that awakening was only partial. You are a moving target. I'd like to see the real you in the light of day.<br /><br />I don't mean just your spiritual name. You are hiding your identity for some reason, and lack the courage to dialogue except as a phantom.Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-70774511133818333562011-08-01T14:25:26.426-07:002011-08-01T14:25:26.426-07:00Ramana posted:
"Being"
No trace of Tr...Ramana posted:<br /><br />"Being"<br /><br /><br />No trace of Truth in a human face<br />Only the Love that fills all space<br /><br />No "me" over here<br />No "you" over there<br />No person who can "be aware"<br />Liberation is here right now<br />No-one can possibly teach you how<br /><br />To the restless mind this will never be clear<br />It's beyond the reach of mortal ear<br />Being is found in the still, quiet space<br />Bearing witness of itself in every place<br />Yet there's nowhere that it cannot be found<br />It's both the silence and the sound.<br /><br />It has many names, like "God" or "Being"<br />Talked about in "glimpses" and "seeing"<br />But all the while there's no-thing to "see"<br />It's simply found where there's no-one to BE<br /><br />Ramana<br /><br /><br />My goodness Ramana, this is a very beautiful poem but also a stunning bit of plagiarism on your part! <br /><br />I wonder what Mandi Solk thinks of you signing your name to her poem? http://www.mandisolk.com/<br /><br />Tut, Tut... not very humble or honest of you. Where's the truth you so often talk about?<br /><br />Love to All,<br /><br />Jo-AnnJo-Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-21386849272461841942011-08-01T07:00:07.897-07:002011-08-01T07:00:07.897-07:00I do hope Charlie comes back here and set you stra...I do hope Charlie comes back here and set you straight. It seems Ed that you not only jump to conclusions but most of the time your incorrect. It's clear to me now why you are not allowing any more posts of mine. I'm getting to close to the truth of the matter and you are running scared. Oh well good luck with that.<br />RamanaRamananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-4372217859431837452011-07-31T21:01:45.742-07:002011-07-31T21:01:45.742-07:00@ Ramana: "However when it comes to truth my ...@ Ramana: "However when it comes to truth my sword cuts deep."<br />Only the swordless sword can do that - and then it is not 'my' sword.Nurijihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580146414550416363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-52805711752283105902011-07-31T18:14:38.329-07:002011-07-31T18:14:38.329-07:00Charlie, you can keep sending me comments about ho...Charlie, you can keep sending me comments about how wrong I am about everything, how I mislead everyone, but until to tell me who you are, your soapbox has just disappeared.Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-35611810202537309972011-07-31T16:25:53.559-07:002011-07-31T16:25:53.559-07:00“So I leave you with this truth. Being awake is yo...“So I leave you with this truth. Being awake is your true nature, you have never been not awake. The only thing that gets in your way is the teaching that someday awakening will come to you if you are a good student and follow your teacher advice.”<br /><br />Really, Ramana, “the only thing that gets in your way is the teaching that someday you will awaken.” <br /><br />Really? That simple huh? That is why people have searched for truth, transcendental states, awakening, happiness, etc., for thousands of years, and the only thing that keeps them from it, is the belief they are not enlightened already and they have to follow a teacher to escape? <br /><br />Don't you see Ramana, there are so many end sates that one can call awakening, and they are all different. Ramakrishna strived only for the love of Kali, not an Advaita awakening. Ditto Christ, who taught only about forgiveness and love. You see, yours is only a niche, and not everyone looks for or would be satisfied with your experience.<br /><br />Please Ramana, Charlie, have the courage to reveal yourself. I am an open book because of my blogs and websites, but you stay hidden behind “Charlie B” or “Ramana.” Where is the courage in this? Where is your sharp sword of truth here? why hide away?<br /><br />July 31, 2011Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-41276557899381937132011-07-31T16:16:39.182-07:002011-07-31T16:16:39.182-07:00I never, ever talk about progression from where on...I never, ever talk about progression from where one is to enlightenment or awakening. It is a matter of the mind opening up, concepts dropping, misconceptions being destroyed. Grace evidently plays a large place here, but even that is a concept. I do believe in making an effort, just as suggested by Nisargadatta, Ramana and Robert. There is a difference between making an effort to awaken, and a progression. <br /><br />Rajiv needed the words I told him. He came to me after 12 years of intense practice. He had a few concepts that needed to be dropped. I’ll tell you, those words did not come from me. It was as if Consciousness spoke through me to him directly. It was not me. <br /><br />And, I did not give him your words, I gave him Nisargadatta’s words, who did talk about subtle and causal bodies, and going beyond them into not knowing.<br /><br />More on your awakening story. You say you were awakened by a lightning bolt at age 12, yet you then state you spent years and years with various teachers, such as Muktananda, Papaji and 3 years with Nisargadatta, as well as other teachers.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />If you were awakened, and it was so simple, why did you spend so many years after your awakening wandering around with many teachers? Was it that you continued to not understand, or was there something else were you looking for? AND, what is the difference between wandering around various teachers before awakening, versus your stated wandering around those same teachers after awakening? What was not clear after your awakening?<br /><br />OR, was the story you told of awakening at age 12 really a fabrication, and perhaps, as some have suggested, you are really Charlie Hayes, who came to me five years ago, physically ill and suicidal, and who then went to Sailor Bob and John Wheeler and had some sort of awakening, and returned preaching the same one note of instant enlightenment you teach.<br /><br />I do believe you may be Charlie Hayes, as the comment of your that I deleted, and about which you complained saying you felt sorry for me for not posting your “valuable teachings,” was lifted directly from Charlie Hayes’ latest blog entry. <br /><br />Now, Ramana, if you had all this direct, simple insight, why would you have to borrow words that fit your teachings from Charlie Hayes’ blog, unless you are really don’t have any teachings of your own.<br /><br />Charlie teaches this same instant enlightenment, even though his awakening came to a 68 year old man after 40 years of spiritual search with Muktananda and Nisargadatta in the 1970s, Papaji at some point, and many other teachers, such as Sailor Bob and John Wheeler, without any acknowledgement of effect of his 40 year search and striving.Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-15246952096462894642011-07-31T16:11:59.250-07:002011-07-31T16:11:59.250-07:00“Well one man a long time ago pissed off a lot of ...“Well one man a long time ago pissed off a lot of people and he ended up being hanged on a cross. I am very humble when it comes to things of this world. However when it comes to truth my sword cuts deep.”<br /><br />Ramana, now you equate yourself with Jesus Christ? Such modesty! Looking at how you dismiss my students’ experiences, I really doubt there is much humility anywhere in your life.<br />“Awakening is more simple than simple and it's the very reason why most on the path miss it.”<br /><br />If it was so simple Ramana, why did you spend years with Nisargadatta, Muktananda, Papaji and other teachers AFTER your awakening at age 12, unless that was a bogus story? <br /><br />“I hear on this blog the mentioning Swami Muktananda what a joke. This man was nothing more than the lowest of beings. He had sex with young boys and much worse. I know I followed him for a while and again the truth is not well accepted.”<br /><br />Ramana, though Muktananda is mentioned on this blog, I have never endorsed him. I said I saw him many times at Satsang and never got what he was about. You distort the teachings presented on this site to make a point that I don’t disagree with, as if I did. <br /><br />“Here's the problem most people do not want the truth so teachers like Ed and others give them what they want. I am happy that my own teachers were not like this if they were I still be a seeker lost in my own inquiry.”<br /><br />“Ramana is my spiritual name given to me by Papaji however before I met Papaji I spent 3 years with Maharaj (Nisargadatta).” <br /><br />“None of my teachers ever believed in a progression such as states you need to go through before you are awaken but this is a fact of Ed teachings you see it in the book he co-authored and in his satsangs.”<br /><br />Ramana, this is a very surprising admission. You say you are glad the teachers you were with did not believe in a progression, because, “if they were, I would still be a seeker lost in my own inquiry.”<br />You now admit you were awakened by teachers that did not believe in progression, not because of a lightning stroke at age 12. So which is it? Awakened by lightning at age 12, or by a spiritual teacher who did not believe in progression or practice?Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-32039838124182808512011-07-31T15:44:52.005-07:002011-07-31T15:44:52.005-07:00Sweet Edji,
Just so you know, the Ramana that is p...Sweet Edji,<br />Just so you know, the Ramana that is posting here is not me, Ramana Spencer...Papaji named a couple of us Ramana. Two or maybe three actually.<br />a smile and a bow.<br /><br />Ramana SpencerRamana Spencernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-39724839372836761322011-07-31T13:50:26.936-07:002011-07-31T13:50:26.936-07:00Thank you Ramana for giving us your truth in the l...Thank you Ramana for giving us your truth in the last post... I think we are all awake now :p<br /><br />RickyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-30755359934178432332011-07-31T10:33:42.598-07:002011-07-31T10:33:42.598-07:00Well one man a long time ago pissed off a lot of p...Well one man a long time ago pissed off a lot of people and he ended up being hanged on a cross. I am very humble when it comes to things of this world. However when it comes to truth my sword cuts deep. Awakening is more simple than simple and it's the very reason why most on the path miss it. It is also written the the truth will set you free and it does but the truth also carries with it the responsibility to share it as it is not what anyone may think it is. <br /><br />I hear on this blog the mentioning Swami Muktananda what a joke. This man was nothing more than the lowest of beings. He had sex with young boys and much worse. I know I followed him for a while and again the truth is not well accepted. Here's the problem most people do not want the truth so teachers like Ed and others give them what they want. I am happy that my own teachers were not like this if they were I still be a seeker lost in my own inquiry.<br />Ramana is my spiritual name given to me by Papaji however before I met Papaji I spent 3 years with Maharaj(Nisargadatta). None of my teachers ever believed in a progression such as states you need to go through before you are awaken but this is a fact of Ed teachings you see it in the book he co-authored and in his satsangs. So I leave you with this truth. Being awake is your true nature, you have never been not awake. The only thing that gets in your way is the teaching that someday awakening will come to you if you are a good student and follow your teacher advice. That someday never comes. What happen to Ed in his shower experience would have happen regardless if he spent years in Zen or met Robert.<br />My guess is Ed's shower experience would have happened many years before if he was not playing with the mind keeping his own-self from seeing the truth.<br /><br />Peace to all<br />RamanaRamananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-63923712744978447832011-07-31T10:21:30.905-07:002011-07-31T10:21:30.905-07:00Edji,
I love these discussions and I would love t...Edji, <br />I love these discussions and I would love to lock horns with Ramana wot’s his name. For me meditating on ‘I amness’ or questioning with intensity ‘who am I?’, the requirement is a body that is a powerful, responsive instrument, vital energy, concentrated mental power and the ability to direct it and intuitive faculties that align with pure unconditioned intelligence, That which was there before the pure consciousness was conditioned by hundreds of different mostly contradictory sources since birth.<br /> <br />If the body is weak, the energy is weak and so the intelligence follows, because matter, energy and intelligence cannot be separated and if that is so, the mind cannot concentrate and direct its power to a single point, nor can it open up that concentrated power to contemplate whatever subject matter that is in front of it, without the involuntary movement of attachments, associations, memories, thoughts, dreams, emotions, desires and biological energies interfering and so it cannot dissolve into the stateless state that creates, interpenetrates and transcends all matter, energy and intelligence, where there is no thinking, concentrating, contemplating, or meditating mind. <br /><br />As I see it there is simply no jumping platform.<br /><br />You gave me the last key no doubt, but as soon as I got it after much release of repressed emotions and mad events as the content of the consciousness was breaking up and throwing out acquired past life action.<br /><br />This is what happened. The body, its animating energy, heart-mind, intention-power, awakened intelligence and the all-immersing void united and all action came from emptiness and has continued to do so unerringly.<br /><br />I can remain there; empty, void, with not even the movement of awareness or intelligence, but as soon as someone speaks, or action is required, I am there instantly and as soon as the action is over, the return to emptiness is instant, without any residue of the event whatsoever.<br /><br />I encountered compassion, love, bliss, ecstasy, clarity and emotional calm in the midst of this human chaos initially, but under no circumstances am I now fooled by that illusion of god, because compared to non-dual internal power that state only helps to buffer the individual from the awe and terror they will face as they encounter the abyss.<br /> <br />I feel real serious preparation is an absolute requirement, because even my most devoted practitioners have recoiled back in horror and cannot stabilize when the mind goes into abeyance even for a moment.<br /><br />Over to you Edji<br />SamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-24196100160656821002011-07-31T07:14:48.444-07:002011-07-31T07:14:48.444-07:00I have been following all these posts, but with no...I have been following all these posts, but with no desire to say anything until now.<br /><br />Ramana, your lack of humility and love for all serious spiritual seekers simply blows me out of the water.<br /><br />How arrogant of you to tell us 'awakening is so darn simple you only need one note to sing the truth'.<br /><br />If it is that darn simple, give us that 'note'! Why hold back something that is so darn simple? Why dangle that 'carrot' in front of everyone?<br /><br />You certainly weren't able to do it for yourself. It took a lightning bolt! If it was really that simple and you were ready why didn't you do it before the lightning struck? It would have saved a lot trouble!<br /><br />From my perspective, you are not 'awake', you are just 'separated' as was Jill Bolte Taylor after her 'stroke of insight'... but at least she is doing everything she can to help people realize there is something else we should know. http://blog.ted.com/2008/03/12/jill_bolte_tayl/<br /><br />What are YOU doing to help the rest of us Ramana? <br /><br />And are you REALLY sure you are fully awake?<br /><br />Personally, I am puzzled that you are even posting on this blog if you are already fully awake. I also believe you a doing a great disservice (with your posts) to anyone who might be caught up in your game clever words.<br /><br />And, if your real name is NOT Ramana... what utter arrogance to even begin to think you can come close to this great Sage in any way, shape or form.<br /><br />With great love for all,<br /><br />Jo-Ann<br />...who clearly still has lots of ego left because Ramana pisses me off! ;-)Jo-Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-87844653448815936342011-07-31T05:16:48.147-07:002011-07-31T05:16:48.147-07:00@ Ramana: When all is about to stop or doing nothi...@ Ramana: When all is about to stop or doing nothing, then why do you start discussing? And for whom?<br />Your words miss being humble to the Grace for your own sudden awakening - in fact your words are arrogant.<br />Ed is right with mentioning, that not everyone wants experiences like you and I had.<br />(I am the friend that Janet mentioned in one of her previous comments) <br />Although I can see it now as a act of Grace, I don't wish anyone else, what it was meant to go through, because contrary to you with 12 years it meant for me the whole life upside-down as a 44 year old man with all duties in Life. <br /><br />So when there are other ways in time and together with a teacher to recognize the Truth, then also this is Grace. <br /><br />Papaji had also an awakening experience as a child - and only after meeting Ramana many years later his search came to an end and he could speak with his own authority. <br />Even Nisargadatta needed 3 years. His words are also arrogant, but in the meaning of the latin origin a-rogare (before questioning) he spoke from before any question can arise. And although his words were sometimes tough, underneath there was deepest love and also humor. And his words have power - until now!<br /><br />That's the big difference to you, who focuses on judging and criticizing other teachers. Something that neither Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta or other masters did. <br /><br />And no - I am not another student of Ed and don't see him as a master or teacher. But I am very happy that someone like him walks on this planet and very thankful for all, what he does for other ones like my friend Janet. <br /><br />Om shanti, shanti, shanti<br /><br />NoorijiNurijihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580146414550416363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-58801577892959842642011-07-30T20:04:21.491-07:002011-07-30T20:04:21.491-07:00Well Ed I agree to disagree. I still see you worki...Well Ed I agree to disagree. I still see you working with your students in the hope to get them somewhere or some place. When anyone has a authentic awakening the first thing they notice is they were "it" all along, that nothing new came into their picture.As far as being a teacher Ed the truth of awakening is so darn simple you only need one note to sing the truth. Anything more and you begin to move away from the truth.<br /><br />Good night all<br />RamanaRamananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-37726277073840414152011-07-30T14:49:46.976-07:002011-07-30T14:49:46.976-07:00Thank you Ramana for finally giving your experienc...Thank you Ramana for finally giving your experience.<br /><br />However, you really have not followed what I say about awakening. I never talk about a progression to awakening. You mistake encouragement for a belief on my part.<br /><br />As Janet pointed out, just because you had a sudden awakening without practice, that does not mean ANYONE ELSE can without a lightning boltor something else in their genetic/psychological composition.<br /><br />Yes, you are speakingh out against what Nisargadatta and the others say by saying practice and self-inquiry, etc., is not the way. Then here you say it is true if they meant a quiet abidance in the self, or the I Am, but that is exactly what I have beed suggesting all along.<br /><br />Yes, grace comes at some point, but is that grace not a function of loving, surrender, or self-abidance.<br /><br />Also Ramana, every 3rd or 4th comment you become extremely rude and non accepting of where people are and accept only your experience and understanding as the "final truth."<br /><br />Ramana, it may amaze you, but there are many seekers who do not want your kind of experience and want something else. You have to be able to help them get what they want, then they are happy, or they recognize they want something different or more.<br /><br />Being a teacher requires you to know people psychologically, not just to always sing one note, and that note always being, "No, you have it wrong, listen to my truth."Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-61423320150791959212011-07-30T14:24:54.683-07:002011-07-30T14:24:54.683-07:00It happened when I was 12 years old. We were all s...It happened when I was 12 years old. We were all sitting at the dinner table and ran out of pop(soda). I ran into the kitchen grabbed a large bottle and headed towards the dinner table. I shouted I have some POP spelling the letters. Just before the last P lightening struck our house went through the roof and then through me and the floor and ended up putting in a large crack on the concrete floor in the basement. My Dad thought I was dead, he told me I just raised my whole body vertically around 2 feet off the ground. However I was far from being dead.<br /><br />This experience was 'a full blown awakening' I was absolutely certain that it was not located in time or space. I am also certain that what I am is unlimited, unlocated, unborn, unchanging, undying Presence. This more than just a glimpse was a revelation of that which is ever-present in my experience. This means that right now, in this very simple act of reading these words, that non-objective experience is present.<br />From that day till now I simply see the world as myself meaning my true nature not the human being that is typing these words.<br /><br />I never said not to follow Nis or Ramana teachings but again there was no progression to them. At most it was simply sit and be still and quiet. They knew that awakening will happen when it happens not because of any effort on your part but because of the mystery of Grace. I read many times on your blog etc when you said to someone your almost there now keep it up etc. This is not how awakening happens. There is not a almost there place you are awaken or not and that's it.<br /><br />"Being"<br /><br /><br />No trace of Truth in a human face<br />Only the Love that fills all space<br /><br />No "me" over here<br />No "you" over there<br />No person who can "be aware"<br />Liberation is here right now<br />No-one can possibly teach you how<br /><br />To the restless mind this will never be clear<br />It's beyond the reach of mortal ear<br />Being is found in the still, quiet space<br />Bearing witness of itself in every place<br />Yet there's nowhere that it cannot be found<br />It's both the silence and the sound.<br /><br />It has many names, like "God" or "Being"<br />Talked about in "glimpses" and "seeing"<br />But all the while there's no-thing to "see"<br />It's simply found where there's no-one to BE<br /><br />RamanaRamananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-66941591009779002332011-07-30T11:46:16.119-07:002011-07-30T11:46:16.119-07:00Ramana, thank you for the civil discourse.
Howeve...Ramana, thank you for the civil discourse.<br /><br />However, you are determined to teach me and others reading this blog your concepts, and state they are different from mine. You say I teach progression towards the goal of awakening. I don’t. I don’t talk about stages either, but you assume that is my teaching.<br /><br />When in a previous post I talked to one student about what could be his progressive experience, it was because I met him where he was, following a certain practice. I told him what might unfold in that practice, but I also indicated this was not awakening. But you didn’t notice this.<br /><br />Janet also was not talking in terms of real or unreal awakening. She said she is happy where she is and about how she feels and what she understands. You did not see this either. You only saw it as another opening to push concepts.<br /><br />Yes, Nisargadatta’s concepts, and Robert’s, and my own are lies too, but they are presented to counteract other lies deeply buried in the public mind. These too are to be discarded.<br /><br />But this is not Facebook which is a forum for everyone to proclaim different sorts of enlightenment as utter truth with utter conviction, and with almost no one stating whether they had an awakening experience, or their “Truth” is entirely conceptual.<br /><br />You never present what your experience is or was and how your conclusions, your concepts or truth follow from your experience.<br />So, you understand that all phenomena, objects, people, emptiness and the observed witness are of one material. So what? This is a kind of beginner’s awakening.<br /><br />You understand that time is a concept. So what? This is a common understanding found in almost all traditions. What makes you think this is something vital left out of the teachings on this site?<br /><br />AND, YOU HAVE NEVER, NEVER ANSWERED MY CHALLENGE TO WHY YOU OPPOSE THE ADVICE GIVEN BY THE GREAT TEACHERS SUCH AS NISARGADATTA, RAMANA MAHARSHI, RANJIT, AND RAMAKRISHNA THAT PRACTICE IS NECESSARY, MOSTLY IN THE PRACTICE OF ABIDING IN THE SELF OR I AM.<br /><br />None of these people, except Ranjit, talk about stages either.<br /><br />There is nothing you offer but conclusions, which are relatively tame and don’t go very deep in my opinion.<br /><br />Also, as you can see, I teach my own way and state people can listen and learn, or reject as they want. But lots of time people already have a practice, or have a misunderstanding, or have a problem. A good teacher will know where they are and reach out to them there rather than just repeat over and over, stop seeking and realize you already are what you seek.<br /><br />You have not seen this. You have one message that does not “work” for a lot of people, and you want me to adopt that message of yours. You want me to make you a co-teacher on this blog presenting what I consider useless teachings and concepts.<br />But you even lack the courage to identify yourself. Sometimes you are Charlie B, and others you are Ramana. Many of the people here on this thread did identify themselves and put themselves on the line. You do not. This speaks volumes regarding who you are.Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-70415634616903773382011-07-30T10:08:48.931-07:002011-07-30T10:08:48.931-07:00Who is hiding behind Ramana? And why? :-)Who is hiding behind Ramana? And why? :-)Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15150430873373794955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-34162876391470446372011-07-30T08:44:48.011-07:002011-07-30T08:44:48.011-07:00Dear Janet I am happy for you. and I thank you for...Dear Janet I am happy for you. and I thank you for your comments.<br /><br />Ed as far as throwing out my post because it's all conceptual well you should know as a teacher that everything you say about the absolute, consciousness, awakening etc is nothing but concepts. Your issue seems to be that you throw out whatever concepts you don't like and keep the ones you do like. My own experience is not conceptual but real however to put it into language concepts are needed. If you really are awake then you should know everything you say or I say or anyone says is a lie. Truth can never be spoken.<br /><br />The other problem you have is this idea of progression which I am sure came from all those years in Zen playing around with Korans you end up being programed that work and effort is needed to see your true nature. This is the big lie.<br /><br />Good luck with whatever you are trying to do. Great luck with all the cats and much love to you for caring.<br />RamanaRamananoreply@blogger.com