tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post4798919925586297605..comments2023-12-16T16:12:08.051-08:00Comments on Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization: Ed Muzikahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-17620105879063661982012-08-16T18:48:04.079-07:002012-08-16T18:48:04.079-07:00David I hope you are not "proscribed "fr...David I hope you are not "proscribed "from the sangha for being too "prescriptive" with your comments!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05202935121134757795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-79318044833293204992012-08-16T18:43:49.594-07:002012-08-16T18:43:49.594-07:00Sorry I am informed that should have been prescrib...Sorry I am informed that should have been prescribed, not proscribed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-55842909789627648632012-08-16T02:45:54.368-07:002012-08-16T02:45:54.368-07:00hello coquelicot. love you too!hello coquelicot. love you too!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-28797433172988211452012-08-16T02:36:55.865-07:002012-08-16T02:36:55.865-07:00hello !
david says:
WATCH THE THINKING! Don't...hello !<br />david says: <br />WATCH THE THINKING! Don't try to change it or 'do' anything, <br />The more you stay in that wide open attention, the quicker you will see your true self and the identification with the false self, or that narrative, will be broken.<br />i have noticed it is more successfull since i am feeling the energy from Edj because it is like a stream which is untiing blocking things in my head and after i am feeling very spacious and the self is filling it for a moment and after it begin again for another blocking thing or more deeply .<br />And since i noticed that my meditation is only watching that love stream acting in my head and my shoulders on painful knots without interfering . <br />So it is just Edj who do work !!! Let us see how that thing is moving about !<br />much love <br />coquelicotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-34268230660271943222012-08-15T02:40:42.186-07:002012-08-15T02:40:42.186-07:00Hello Trevor !
It sounds like we are the same fami...Hello Trevor !<br />It sounds like we are the same family when i read your answer and also David's one !<br />what i like so much here is that is not words sayed by parrots like a sunday school ! through it the love is appearing . <br />When i read about bee gees'song from David i thinh about another one which refrain is : dust in the wind , by Kansas group. it is also a marvellous song !<br />we are so fortunate to be here on this blog . Edj and robert adams is helping so much to feel the "I am" ! Here it sounds like we are at home : nothing else to search for , just stop and open his heart and let suffering go through and not hung up it , and so love presence from Robert and Edj are filling it ! <br />It is funny because i listen to robert but i dont understand what he is saying , so it is like a music voice but his voice is so smooth , so upsetting because his fragility , it feels like he is breaking it at any moment !<br /> And Edj seems so strong, so full of humain love feelings that we are submerged by his presence and we can only let him cleaning our heart !<br />it is very amazing to feel all that things !!!<br />And you Trevor seems very humble and so nice like a wounded cat that Edj is protecting ! All is good here , you are in the good place !<br /> Much love and happy to speak with you !<br />coquelicotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-25615588919005640192012-08-14T19:54:34.268-07:002012-08-14T19:54:34.268-07:00I think you may have misunderstood me. To clarify;...I think you may have misunderstood me. To clarify;<br /><br />Feelings are are feelings, quite real and profound in their own way, as part of the natural functioning. But when you say "about my feelings being a narrative... but just that, a narrative" you have it assbackwards. Just turn that statement around to read "narrative about my feelings", and you'll get it.<br /><br />I repeat; your feelings are NOT the problem, leave them alone. It's the continuous conversation you have with yourself (and anyone who will indulge you) ABOUT your feelings that keeps you stuck. Turn your attention to that "long winded and historic narrative" which is nothing other than your thinking about your feelings.<br /><br />WATCH THE THINKING! Don't try to change it or 'do' anything, just WATCH it! This is the 'practice' that Nisargadatta so often proscribed. Being attentive to what is without judgement. That is dwelling in the sense of "I-ness".<br /><br />You can "do" that walking, sitting, vacuuming, doing the dishes or standing on your head. In fact you're always "doing" it whether you know it or not, because you are "it". How do you think you drive a car without having an accident most of the time? "Self Realisation" is knowing that knowing.<br /><br />That non-conceptual, attentive awareness that does not divide or judge (but drives the car while "you" are thinking), in other words, Sentience, (Edji calls his site We Are Sentience, it's all in that title!) is your Self.<br /><br />That's the only Self there is to realise, and by realise I mean "be conscious of".<br /><br />In other words conscious of consciousness.<br /><br />The more you stay in that wide open attention, the quicker you will see your true self and the identification with the false self, or that narrative, will be broken.<br /><br />Good Luck!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-18228268655026252272012-08-14T01:47:37.144-07:002012-08-14T01:47:37.144-07:00Your words go straight inside... i don't know ...Your words go straight inside... i don't know why..., but thanks, Dave, for the kindness. i connect with what you say here.<br /><br />I'm beginning to see what you say... about my feelings being a narrative (albeit a long winded and historic one); but just that, a narrative.<br /><br />That's why i loved hearing the bit about you learning to just see. that sounds profound... beautiful and simple, but profound.<br /><br />i guess that's just it, isn't it?... not eradicating feelings but allowing them their place before their dissolving into nothingness once again.<br /><br />Cheers, sir. Talk again.Trevorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809259292555129752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-80438627549845638272012-08-14T01:40:49.481-07:002012-08-14T01:40:49.481-07:00Thanks Coquelicot - i feel your support. your rec...Thanks Coquelicot - i feel your support. your recommendations are well received.<br /><br />I send you my love! yes, i do love listening to Robert's talks, too.<br /><br />Trevorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809259292555129752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-24673837463164528572012-08-12T19:45:57.290-07:002012-08-12T19:45:57.290-07:00Hi Trevor.
I love that LOVE that expresses as the...Hi Trevor.<br /><br />I love that LOVE that expresses as the goodwill of all these 'individuals'. That is the balm that soothes the restless spirit.<br /><br />You're feelings are just that Trev, feelings. They stay stuck only as long as we remain identified with them, by which I mean; keep having a conversation with ourselves about them, how to fix them, or escape from them, or chiding ourselves for not being able to transcend them or whatever...<br /><br />Once we take the conversation outside the confines of of our own minds, the spurious nature of them is revealed. The collective I can get to work on reminding the 'individual' (in this case YOU Trev!) that you are not that and never were. That's all that's required, re-cognizance of the reality of our being-ness.<br /><br />Ed reminded me of this very recently and it was the instant cure to that downward spiral that I'd already started to entertain again.<br /><br />Self-realization occurs NOW, the moment we remember what we are. It's not some goal to be attained,<br /><br />It's really that quick, speed of light.<br /><br />Feelings are meant to be transitory, as quick as that moment of self re-cognition, as a response to the reality we perceive around us. We get stuck in the mire only when we start verbalising them to ourselves. Like the old Bee Gees song; "it's only words".<br /><br />They are all we have to try and convey that truth which is truly indescribable, and which IS us, but they are NOT truth in and of themselves. Just tools of communication, symbols. Nothing more!<br /><br />When we forget that, we are in the shit again.<br /><br />Maggie reminded me that there's a great appendix to I Am That, where Maurice Frydman expounds on this. check it out :O)<br /><br />Thanks for sharing Trev, thanks for making your pain known to me. If you hadn't, I wouldn't have been inspired to write this "note to self" (whether that be 'my' self or your 'self'), and these constant reminders to dwell in the sense of 'I', are my only practice. The rest (chants, yoga, etc...) is pure enjoyment.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-13944052967177726912012-08-12T05:24:36.527-07:002012-08-12T05:24:36.527-07:00hello Trevor !(it is look like tresor !!!)
i like ...hello Trevor !(it is look like tresor !!!)<br />i like your answer , it is good we can exhange here as we do because we are the same ones, in the same peasouper a day and felling better another ... it change so often ! actually i am in a difficult moment because my friend has a cancer in the brain . And to help me i am listening music from Muktananda and others one by Edj and also i am listening satsang records by robert Adams and i repeat still and still . And after two weeks i am doing that it makes a smoothy and oceanic feeling in my heart which substitutes for suffering sensation ! So i try to stay in it or to come back when it is going away . And now , as soon as i am listening Robert i m feeling so good !!! it looks like he was in my heart , it is so smooth and subtil feeling . Perhaps if you do also it will happen also to you !!! i should like to send you that ggod thing ! much love for you !!!<br />coquelicotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-7050412117500999722012-08-11T02:03:00.972-07:002012-08-11T02:03:00.972-07:00Yr a laff riot Victoria! Thank you :O)Yr a laff riot Victoria! Thank you :O)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-6017340926814275992012-08-11T00:21:44.090-07:002012-08-11T00:21:44.090-07:00Dennis, I didn’t feel that you were minimizing my ...Dennis, I didn’t feel that you were minimizing my pain… in fact I felt support from your comment as it clearly came from a good place. I think it’s great the way you feel and the fact that you stick to your guns. Your profile picture is beautiful, btw.<br /><br />Lila and Coquelicot, thanks for sharing your support and suggestions.<br /><br />David, I was hoping you would respond as you seem to have been through your own process… that you could relate to my falling flat on my face.<br /><br />I appreciate what you say… it brings perspective to my own process and to what I should strive to do the next time I fall into the pit of my own miserable self.<br /><br />You learned to just see, that sounds great… no more doting on the miserable person and how disgusted, sad, inadequate he feels. I’m taking that to heart…thanks for shamelessly revealing your own past difficulties in order for me to understand my own.<br /><br />I’m going to do my best to not drown out the pain with drink. I’m going to try to skillfully … somehow understand and just let be… no matter what rot comes to the surface. It can’t last forever, right?... or if I accept it, this “as-is-ness”, as you say, than the misery becomes a type of beauty, maybe?<br /><br />I hope we meet one day… who knows, maybe at Ed’s place. We’ll have a nice cold … carrot juice and talk war stories. That’d be great.<br /><br />One more observation…When I get like this I can’t practice anything. I try to sit but… nada… my heart hurts too much, my body can’t incorporate… it’s like enquiry, meditation becomes inaccessible.<br />Maybe it’s like David says…. The best thing to do is lie in bed and suck your thumb! I’ll have to try that.<br />When pain becomes desperation and the urgency of the sadness is so present… if only I could perceive that I wasn’t stuck… to somehow accept it, the fact of feeling miserable, as something good, something natural, something that has its place.<br /><br />Maybe it’s the stuckness that feels most devastating in those times… that I can’t perceive movement; that I’m stagnant… that I’m trapped. I think therein lies the big whopper that I have to remove.<br /><br />In any case, I’m appreciative for all the discussion generated here. I guess that means you’re all miserable fucks just like me. <br /><br />That’s supposed to be a joke…which I don’t believe nor would hope for a second.<br /><br />Thank you… I’m feeling love right now… thank you for accepting me with all my dark and fucked up feelings and showing compassionTrevorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809259292555129752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-83386107428326269512012-08-10T19:40:11.675-07:002012-08-10T19:40:11.675-07:00Ah, but you are so damn incorrigible...
have to ad...Ah, but you are so damn incorrigible...<br />have to admit I'm loving you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717134301159047782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-44384930861630265972012-08-10T14:40:45.094-07:002012-08-10T14:40:45.094-07:00It is not realIt is not realDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15150430873373794955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-7071278468613706182012-08-10T13:18:28.280-07:002012-08-10T13:18:28.280-07:00Post less concepts.
Kiss more cows.
Have more sex...Post less concepts.<br />Kiss more cows.<br /><br />Have more sex with all the time you will save by doing what she said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-66315975034096266722012-08-10T02:53:30.231-07:002012-08-10T02:53:30.231-07:00Dennis, you say,
"I don't know if this v...Dennis, you say,<br /><br />"I don't know if this very present moment is real or not but it is a mistery to me." <br /><br />Since you do not know then you might refrain from plastering IT IS NOT REAL like a mantra across the blog whenever someone is vulnerable enough to share their pain here. Ponder the mystery of it privately in your 'own self.' While you do not intend any harm by saying it, neither do you appear to notice that it isn't necessarily "right action"--nor a compassionate response--to the emotional or existential suffering of others.<br /><br />You might also consider asking Ed to give you a "new mantra," and then keep it potent by keeping it to yourself...<br /><br /><br />POST LESS CONCEPTS.<br />KISS MORE COWS.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717134301159047782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-14513171588386445262012-08-09T22:34:41.570-07:002012-08-09T22:34:41.570-07:00Anonymous. I really cannot offer an answer to your...Anonymous. I really cannot offer an answer to your dilemma, except to say I've been there too.<br /><br />My experience was that I eventually accepted that things were the way they were and settled for being fucking miserable, and went to bed to suck my thumb!<br /><br />When I truly embraced my existence "as Is", something happened. For a while I didn't want to live, but I didn't want to kill myself either. I just stopped wanting altogether. Love, happiness, success or any of the other things that I didn't think I had (or didn't have enough of).<br /><br />My sense that life should be different, somehow better, disappeared along with my dissatisfaction. A deep sense of ennui became an awakening to a new kind of "as is-ness". I basically stopped thinking about "me" and started seeing.<br /><br />But I did have to take that swan-dive into the mire of suffering that was me, I really didn't have any choices left. I don't recommend it, I'm just saying that's what happened.<br /><br />And, I did commit to being clean. Any addiction (and we've all got 'em), will keep you in bondage to that little "me" for as long as you keep resorting to it and not experiencing what it is you're trying to avoid.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-12699073538166179432012-08-09T22:31:47.600-07:002012-08-09T22:31:47.600-07:00Lila.
When you respond to Dennis by chiding him fo...Lila.<br />When you respond to Dennis by chiding him for his insensitivity to anonymous' pain, and then you refer to anonymous in the third person, without addressing him/her directly, do you think that helps anyone? It's very 'nice' that you "felt" anonymous all day, and that you cried his tears for him, and that you "wanted" to console anonymous in a Mothering kind of way, but isn't all of that more about you than anything else?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818200995695295787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-21394807488681435592012-08-09T15:59:13.802-07:002012-08-09T15:59:13.802-07:00Maybe what Dennis meant to say was see the experie...Maybe what Dennis meant to say was see the experience of saddness as separate from you, which it is, and in that sense it is not real, it is an apparent reality which we buy into all too much, when this discrimination arises, dispassion follows and the angst you feel resolves. Awareness brings with it great relief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-2576761819277862992012-08-09T03:36:48.788-07:002012-08-09T03:36:48.788-07:00I think that to be a Guide(Guru) really needs some...I think that to be a Guide(Guru) really needs some skill, feeling, experience etc. Because, one must feel where other is coming from and then an appropriate answer may be given at that moment. Sometimes one can feel that suffering is superficial (not deep enough, only some confusion on thoughts), then such answer as "it is not real" may be very good and mind blowing. In other cases this may not be a case.<br />"why so sad?"<br />"well, my mother died and this pain i am feeling right now is unbearable"<br />"look pal, IT IS NOT REAL... HA! IN YOUR FACE!"<br />" *louder cry* " (and maybe even breakdown)Arvydashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16930435403396428739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-41729768000921941682012-08-08T15:57:42.284-07:002012-08-08T15:57:42.284-07:00cat and dolphins peting each other
http://www.you...cat and dolphins peting each other <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vcd0kt49pzgArvydashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16930435403396428739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-88304786326224631992012-08-08T15:18:30.613-07:002012-08-08T15:18:30.613-07:00Yes. It is not real, for me, points to the infinit...Yes. It is not real, for me, points to the infinite eternal in where there is no division between you and me, this or that. And yes it is the dream of the I. Finaly there is no I accept as mental condition. Yes, to me it seems that this very present moment is a magic, mistery moment. I don't know if this very present moment is real or not but it is a mistery to me. And yes Dennis can suffer and struggle also but after intens practice sometimes it is clearly seen that this person is nothing but a dream. And that is a reveal. But i have to practise a lot. And then sometimes in a mistery moment I can say, It is not real. It is a dangerous statement and without love it is indeed an empty silly concept.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15150430873373794955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-38576163394191040822012-08-08T13:47:43.420-07:002012-08-08T13:47:43.420-07:00Dennis, what do YOU mean by the statement, "I...Dennis, what do YOU mean by the statement, "It is not real"?<br /><br />What do you think Robert meant by that statement?<br /><br />It never has meant the world did not exist. It just meant the "I" has no inner object to which it points. It also means that the world we see is interpreted and superimposed on the underlying phenomenal flux that is contained within the emptiness which is its container.<br /><br />Lastly, it means none of those phenomenal objects or situations are permanent. The phenomenal world is always in flux and is impermanent, as opposed to the witness who is not touched by the world. This was the meaning most used by Robert.<br /><br />The phrase may be used as an escape from the suffering of the person and the world in the moment, but really it is not meant to discount the suffering of others or the world. Robert actively supported "right actions" in the world.Ed Muzikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-897248582590783462012-08-08T13:23:55.214-07:002012-08-08T13:23:55.214-07:00Yes, I am a parrot now: but I say so with love and...Yes, I am a parrot now: but I say so with love and I do not feel sorry :) IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REAL IT IS NOT REALDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15150430873373794955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-23886966227939077312012-08-08T08:34:49.039-07:002012-08-08T08:34:49.039-07:00What Dennis says is true of course but a conceptua...What Dennis says is true of course but a conceptual kind of reply does little if anything to address the kind of angst that the Anonymous poster describes. It's rather like Tony "The Parrot" Parsons and his neo-Advaita followers who spout such nonsense with their "nobody's here" for this, "nobody's here" for that type thing. In fact, it wasn't all that long ago that Edji faulted the roving spiritual guide Mooji on just THAT account because the latter was at a loss to address the emotional pain experienced by a woman attending one of his Satsangs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com