tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post2778650855472980579..comments2023-12-16T16:12:08.051-08:00Comments on Self-Knowledge and Self-Realization: Ed Muzikahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13214241089861837159noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27560333.post-65990531023240282017-08-18T16:04:55.063-07:002017-08-18T16:04:55.063-07:00I came across you by chance and my interest was ar...I came across you by chance and my interest was aroused both by what you say and the response others have for you.. they say love and hate are opposite sides of the same coin... and If the chronic smoker was still present he would also be subject to the same criticism...<br /><br />In meditation body drops away... that easy, you can achieve that going for a long drive... mind drops away... no not sleep... if asleep how do you recognise the mind dropping... <br /><br />this poses the question what is Turya... it is definitely not intrinsic awareness or raw awareness of Krishnamurti... <br /><br />In Hindu philosophy, turiya (Sanskrit: तुरीय, meaning "the fourth") or caturiya, chaturtha, is pure consciousness. Turiya is the background that underlies and transcends the three common states of consciousness. The states of consciousness are: waking consciousness, dreaming, and dreamless sleep. 'Wiki'<br /><br />Question: What is samadhi?<br /><br />Answer: The state in which the unbroken experience of existence-consciousness is attained by the still mind, alone is samadhi. That still mind which is adorned with the attainment of the limitless supreme Self, alone is the reality of God.<br />When the mind is in communion with the Self in darkness, it is called nidra [sleep], that is, the immersion of the mind in ignorance. Immersion in a conscious or wakeful state is called samadhi.<br />Samadhi is continuous inherence in the Self in a waking state. Nidra or sleep is also inherence in the Self but in an unconscious state. In sahaja samadhi the communion is continuous. 'Ramana'<br /><br />Verse VII of the Mandukya Upanishad describes Turiya:[4]<br /><br />Not inwardly cognitive, nor outwardly cognitive, not both-wise cognitive,<br />not a cognition-mass, not cognitive, not non-cognitive,<br />unseen, with which there can be no dealing, ungraspable, having no distinctive mark,<br />non-thinkable, that cannot be designated, the essence of assurance,<br />of which is the state of being one with the Self<br />the cessation of development, tranquil, benign, without a second,<br />such they think is the fourth. He is the Self (Atman). He should be discerned.<br /><br />— Mandukya Upanishad 7, [4]<br /><br />Which brings us to what is mind... is it the cognitive process 'I think therefore I am' or is it the buddhist concept, 'I am therefore I think'...<br /><br />Both of which are not Tuura... <br /><br />Ramana say the water in the pot becomes still and it reflects the external light of self... note reflect not become or are... samadhi and attendant states... <br /><br />If there is a rendering of the sense of self, a dissociation of ego as self and that which underpins it one is in the fourth state.. the mind has dropped.. not that the ego ceases to exist, all is as a projection on the screen of mind... but as a projection not a internal reflection... you the witness are looking as if from a front row seat... <br /><br />And then what... that the process of becoming permanently linked to that state... which is usually achieved within 7 rebirths.. <br /><br />See also 'mind like fire unbound' for a buddhist description of mind and the process of dissociation... http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/likefire/1.html<br /><br />Although the Canon reports cases where individuals cut through all four forms of clinging at the same time, the more common pattern is for discernment first to cut through sensual clinging by focusing on the inconstancy & stressfulness of all sensory objects and on the worthlessness of any passion or desire directed to them. Thus freed, the mind can turn its discernment inward in a similar way to cut through its clinging to the practice of concentration itself, as well as to views in general and notions of 'self' in particular. Once it no longer views experience in terms of self, the entire self/not-self dichotomy collapses.<br /><br /><br />healionrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592157296719048037noreply@blogger.com